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Dave LaRonde
OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 5, 2007 at 8:39:57 pm

Not in broadcasting? Then skip this post, please, because it doesn't apply to you. But if you are........

I've discovered that for many people who toil in broadcasting, the 24p to 30p odyssey unfolds like this:



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Shane Ross
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 5, 2007 at 8:46:19 pm

Instant classic dude...INSTANT classic.

Hee hee!



Shane

Littlefrog Post
http://www.lfhd.net


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sumfun
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 5, 2007 at 9:16:02 pm

I shot 24p for one episode then switched to 30p. That was 3 years ago.

I thought things have improved by now. Just curious what kind of problems you ran into. I was thinking of testing the waters again.

http://www.HotSpotsOnline.com


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sumfun
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 5, 2007 at 9:16:50 pm

Oops, double posted.


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CharlieX
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 5, 2007 at 9:48:04 pm

ha ha - that's great. pretty much the daily story here on the Final Cut Cow



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Peter Wiggins
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 5, 2007 at 10:15:55 pm

Share Mikes pain

http://www.hdforindies.com/2007/09/hard-lessons-to-learn-horse-led-to.html#...

Peter



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a.zander
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 6, 2007 at 2:40:13 am

I need a T-shirt, so now when kids come and ask me

"HEY MR how to I work with this 24p footage I just shot in HDV (see what I did there, double screwed) What am i looking at to get it to work with the 30p footage I got?"

I don't have to punch them to forget there is an hdv and a 24p (it usually doesn't work just and FYI, I'm looking at my 6th film school now.)

-Zander


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Tom Brooks
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 6, 2007 at 2:01:19 pm

Where can we see some of the 30P work that's being broadcast? Are there any widely available shows? I googled, but came up with nothin'.


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gary adcock
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 6, 2007 at 2:44:50 pm

[Tom Brooks] "Where can we see some of the 30P work that's being broadcast?"

As far as I know, no broadcaster in the world is using 30p for content delivery, and if they are they are using it in a 60i or 60p delivery stream.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows


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Shane Ross
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 6, 2007 at 3:32:37 pm

The show I am working on right now is shooting 30p on DVCPRO 50. SO it was shot at 30p and we are editing it at 29.97. We deliver a digibeta master, which is 60i...60 interlaced frames. But the "film look" is still there, because both fields are displaying the same frame.



Shane

Littlefrog Post
http://www.lfhd.net


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Chris Poisson
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 6, 2007 at 2:53:56 pm

Hey Dave,

Toooo funny, but then, you sold me on 30p 4 months ago. Shooting it today for my car guys, on the air next week!

Have a wonderful day.


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Tom Matthies
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 6, 2007 at 10:01:22 pm

Oh man, Can I relate! See posts about my 24p HDCam nightmare a week or so ago.
Our DP accidently shot 24p, rather than 23.98p. Oops!
It was an interesting edit to say the least. I did figure out a workaround and it looks pretty good when I downconverted.
Yesterday we took delivery of our XDCam HD and there is NO 24p option in the menu...only 23.98. Yay!
Our DP assures me never again 24P on HDCam! Thank you!
Tom


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sumfun
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 6, 2007 at 10:52:24 pm

We shoot our TV show in DVCProHD 30p, and deliver it in SD 60i format. The 30p absolutely looks better than interlace (it doesn't look like video), and I think motion looks a little smoothr than 24p. For TV, it works pretty well.

http://www.HotSpotsOnline.com


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Tom Brooks
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey - Samples
on Oct 8, 2007 at 2:00:15 am

Sumfun,
That's some good looking video you're doing--great talent too!! It looks absolutely fantastic on the Web, as 30P should. Do you know of any commonly available network shows shot in 30P? I realize it's kinda new, but I'd like to view broadcast examples.
-Tom


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sumfun
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey - Samples
on Oct 8, 2007 at 3:45:51 am

Tom,

Thanks for the compliments. I'm sure there are plenty of shows shooting 30p, but I don't know which ones. If you email me your address, I can mail you a DVD of our show. The DVD is in 60i format, same as what we deliver for broadcast. sum@hotspotsonline.com.

http://www.HotSpotsOnline.com


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easyease
Re: OT: A broadcaster's 24p to 30p Odyssey
on Oct 28, 2007 at 4:27:51 pm

I think there is complete agreement that for NTSC 30P is great and that for a film out it is unacceptable but how does it look converted to PAL? I just want to be prepared, if our show goes global - thanks?


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