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Dan McGuire
Subtitles for online vs TV vs Theatre
on Sep 14, 2017 at 4:53:35 pm

Folks,
I am going to be screening my documentary about Balinese healers in late October.

The titles I have designed seem to look right as I edit on FCP7, but I assume that when they are projected in a theater they will be far too big.

Please take a look at these titles. What do you think? The film begins in 1997 and then has footage from 2016, so it goes from SD to HD with a letterbox initially - black side bars.

First, how do they look to you.

Second, how would I change all of them? Title exchange Pro?

Thanks.





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Dan McGuire
Re: Subtitles for online vs TV vs Theatre
on Sep 14, 2017 at 4:55:31 pm

BTW this is Ariel Narrow Plain size 26


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Shane Ross
Re: Subtitles for online vs TV vs Theatre
on Sep 14, 2017 at 5:32:57 pm

Don't change the size just for the theater. They are fine. They could be a touch smaller, but not by much And I mean by a point or two...barely smaller. And know that the bulk of your audience anymore will be online or TV. But I wouldn't be distracted by that in the theater. Trying to think of examples of movie subs in theaters but drawing a blank

Shane
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Dave LaRonde
Re: Subtitles for online vs TV vs Theatre
on Sep 15, 2017 at 3:01:19 am

I'm with Shane -- don't change 'em! I'm glad to see they have drop shadows. It makes them SO much easier to read against a potentially-cluttered background, or a background that's just about the same color as the text.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Bouke Vahl
Re: Subtitles for online vs TV vs Theatre
on Sep 15, 2017 at 7:34:26 am

I disagree.
For projection, they could be smaller, and a bit lower.
Also, I would drop the drop shadow, just stick with a (small) outline.

To batch change them, what plugin did you use, and how did you create them?
TEP is an option, my Subbits is an option, but you can also do a search/replace on an XML of the subtrack only.
But if I were you, I would want to have a subtitle file seperate from the FCP project. (For future use, changes, other outputs like SRT / broadcast / interchangable for closed captions start etc.)
So you need 'something' at least.

More important is the readability. But that cannot been judged from a still :-)

Bouke
http://www.videotoolshed.com


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Nick Meyers
Re: Subtitles for online vs TV vs Theatre
on Sep 15, 2017 at 5:19:58 pm

i agree w Bouke, outline is better than drop-shadow.
most subs use outline.
also i'd try going bold, or a font that's less delicate.
and I'm wondering if they extend too far across the screen, they are easier to read if they are concentrated.
i found an example here:
http://www.sbs.com.au/inlanguage/services/subtitling

ok, here's a better one, same source:

these are for TV, so too big for cinema, and the yellow is horrible in theatres!

but you can see how they don't extend too far across the screen,
the idea being that you don't want your eye to have to travel too far.


nick


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Subtitles for online vs TV vs Theatre
on Sep 17, 2017 at 3:20:22 am

I think we can all agree the OP's subtitles look REALLY good compared to run-of-the-mill subtitling techniques which, frankly, suck. You can't read most of 'em!

We're now getting into the realm of personal taste here. I know what I like and think is most readable. So do you. Our opinions will almost surely differ.

And if the OP wants to put his subtitles on the screen just the way they are, I think we can all concur that there are far worse ways to make them, and that these ought to work nicely.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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