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Anouk M.Renaud
FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Jul 1, 2016 at 9:10:53 pm

Hi,

This is not a question but I did tests recently to compare Log & transfer on FCP7 to ClipWrap 2.4.2, so I leave it here, hoping that it will help someone :)

I work on a macbook snow leopard (10.6.8). I normally use FCP7's log and transfer to transcode my AVCHD (.mts) footage in ProRes, and ClipWrap 2.4.2 to transcode footage that didn't keep the original folder structure, since I sometimes do editing for people that give me their own footage (and didn't know how it works). After a lot of research, ClipWrap is the only option I found to convert .mts files that don't have the original folder structure (the folder "AVCHD" or "BDMV" with all their contents).

But I use to work with very long files (like ted talks) and L&T is REALLY slow to convert avchd into ProRes. According to this guy : https://adamwelznxcam.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/ingesting-nxcam-footage-prob...

log and transfer on FCP7 (without the upgrade that he talks about) seems to have an issue with AVCHD footage that has LCPM audio tracks, and that's why it's so slow. L&T is also sometimes unstable, i.e has a tendency to crash or fail to transcode.

ClipWrap is more stable and definitly faster. For example, L&T took 55min to convert an avchd clip of 13min21 (with Firewire 800 connection), while ClipWrap took 24 min for the same clip in the same conditions. Last month, I transcoded 30,26Go of avchd footage in ProRes LT via L&T and it took me 30,5h, while 34,56Go of the same type of footage the week after took me 7,75h of transcoding in Clipwrap!

Clips transcoded in ClipWrap have the exact same quality (i.e the same data rate) than clips converted in L&T. But ClipWrap has also important limits. Here is a summary of all my observations about ClipWrap 2.4.2 :

Pros :

- It is much more faster than L&T for long clips with LCPM audio ;
- ClipWrap does transcode directly .mts files when L&T need the original folder structure ;
- It's really more stable than L&T ;
- You can transcode in background while continue working on FCP (if you computer can take it!).
- The moustache is really funny


Cons :

- L&T recreates the original cuts of your shooting, while ClipWrap convert the original 12min mts clips created by the camera. It wouldn't be a big deal if it didn't come for me with a big problem : when I rebuilt the file on the timeline (for example a 30min conference with 3 clips), I can observe that I lost a few frames in the image, and about 1 sec of sound, which most of the time creates a big hole in the middle of a sentence. I don't know if it's the camera I use (Sony PXW-X70), but in these cases, I have to choice than to use L&T. If I recorded the sound separatly, I can handle it with Clipwrap because the few frames I lost don't really create a visible jump cut, but then it's a little more complicated for the audio syncronization.

- Sometimes it's helpful to transcode only a part of a clip with an in and out, a option that is only possible with L&T.


Interesting but not working for me :

- Clipwrap has the option to "rewrap" your mts files into mov files instead of transcoding. It would be really cool to work directly with native files when I don't have a lot of manipulations to do on them, but it just don't work for me. FCP7 can read the files, but as soon as I try to put them on the timeline, the beachball make its appearance and don't disappear until I force FCP to quit.


Well that's it, I hope it will be useful to someone somewhere! And I'm curious if you have any cues for the problems I noticed.


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Robert Withers
Re: FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Jul 3, 2016 at 11:42:40 pm

Clipwrap works in OS 10.8.5. It's successor requires a more recent OS. I have successfully transcoded .MTS files in Adobe Media Encoder 2013.
Best,
Robert

Robert Withers

Independent/personal/avant-garde cinema, New York City


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Valdo jimenez
Re: FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Aug 3, 2016 at 11:18:31 pm

I have been looking the forum but could not find help about the problem I need to solve.
I hope you can help me, please.

I am using a Mac Pro 1.1 / thinking about changing the graphic card in order to upgrad it to a newer OS version.

I was use to work with "log and transfer" in FCP 7, from an 32GB sd card I use with a nex-fs700, since I got the camera, I lunch FCP 7, click log and transfer and the clips appears on the log and transfer window. That was all I did in order to get the clips transcode so I could start editing.

Last week I was already done filming some clips, wen to my editing station click log and transfer but nothing happened, the clips did not appear on the log and transfer window. Suddenly it stops working, and I have no idea why.

I was reading about some people who says that it will work again after a few days, but in my case nothing has work for about 5 days, and still not working.
I did not change anything about fcp 7 before that, I just didi what I was use to, insert the sd card into a card reader, lunch FCP 7, click on LOG AND TRANSFER wait a couple of seconds to see the clips shown on the log and transfer window, but this time the clips will never appear on the window.

I can transcode the clips using adobe media encoder, but I do not know why, I got the clips with no sound, even though the clips have sound, I checked them on my camera. the adobe media encoder version 5, tells me there is no sound.
And I rather use the log and transfer option which I think it`s way better.

I have installed all the sony plugins in order to transfer the clips.

Any help would be appreciate it!
thank you.


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Shane Ross
Re: FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Aug 4, 2016 at 6:47:24 pm

Did ANYTHING change from the time it worked to the time it didn't? OS update? install another application? Shoot a different setting in the camera?

Shane
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Valdo jimenez
Re: FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Aug 4, 2016 at 6:58:05 pm

I was use to shoot 1920x1080 24fps for everything I did. I didn't install any software.
Then I started working on a tv project and set the camera to shoot 1920x1080 60i fps or 1920x1080 30fps. I was able to log and transfer 60ifps or 30fps clips, and then suddenly it stop working.


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Shane Ross
Re: FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Aug 4, 2016 at 7:03:22 pm

download and run PREFERENCE MANAGER from DIGITALREBELLION.com. That will trash your FCP preferences. That often fixes this that work and then suddenly don't. Great tool.

Shane
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Valdo jimenez
Re: FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Aug 4, 2016 at 7:10:55 pm

I run the PREFERENCE MANAGER, and it didn't work.
:(


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Anouk M.Renaud
Re: FCP7 Log & Transfer VS ClipWrap (Pros and cons)
on Jul 30, 2017 at 5:06:59 pm

Well I realized that my problem with Clipwrap (loss of 1 sec of sound) is quite easy to solve : you just have to select the clips that have been separated, click on clip > Join selected clips. Then you'll have the original cuts and you won't lose any frames. I don't use L&T anymore.


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