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Christine Heine
Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 4, 2011 at 9:19:37 pm

I know this is a weird and cheating question,

but is there any way to fib the time of a final FCP movie export, like a plug-in for FCP or QT...?

For example, if I have a movie that's 43sec but I need it to be 30secs. Are there any plug-ins or apps to change the timecode counter to make it look like its 30secs but it's actually still 43 when played?

using FCS3

(don't worry - this is not for broadcast!) ;o)

thanks for any help!
-c


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Rafael Amador
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 4, 2011 at 10:28:13 pm

You are looking for a "Five dimensions video clip".
I think you will need to deal with the "Theory of Relativity" to blend 43 seconds in 30 without distorting the reality.
May be Einstein could write an Fxplug.
Rafael
PS: Imagine the future QT containers carrying the "Time-blending option" in the Metadata.

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Christine Heine
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 4, 2011 at 11:53:05 pm

Wow. Thank you for that.

OK. Serious people only please.

It's hard to believe no one's thought of doing this yet. To make some kind of app that changes the time-counter to read seconds slightly slower or faster than real time. This would make the video's duration seem slightly shorter or longer than it really is.


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Shane Ross
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 5, 2011 at 5:14:48 am

SLIGHTLY slower? Make 43 seconds look like 30 seconds? That's 1/3...33%.

Why on earth do you want to do that? I think that someone would be able to tell the difference between 43 seconds and 30 seconds. And no, I don't think anyone thought of doing something like this. Makes no sense.

Why not just cut it down to 30 sec? That's what editors do.

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Nick Holmes
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 5, 2011 at 6:01:48 pm

Good grief! Cut your spot to time or make an appointment to register as unemployed.

Nick


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Andy Mees
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 5, 2011 at 5:27:15 am

[Christine Heine] "OK. Serious people only please. "

Thats a more ridiculous comment than the original question, Christine! :-)
"Seriously" tho. Why not just slow down a timecode generator? Stick a timecode generator on a slug track above your edit, crop it to display only the timecode, adjust its length to 30 seconds, nest it, and then stretch the duration of the nest to fit (option drag on the out point).

(Btw, if you find all that too clumsy you can download and install my Timecode Generator plugin ... then just slow that down as needed: http:/web.me.com/andymees)

[Christine Heine] "It's hard to believe no one's thought of doing this yet. "

No its not. Lol.


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Andy Mees
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 5, 2011 at 5:58:10 am

[Andy Mees] "option drag on the out point"

Don't know where I got that from (Adobe Premiere maybe), anyway correct tool for slowing down would be the Speed Tool (sss).


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Jon Chappell
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 5, 2011 at 5:34:06 am

You could probably do this with an extra dummy video track that plays back at a different rate, but you'd need to write your own application to do it. I don't know of any apps that can do this because I've never heard anyone ask for it before.

But if you've been asked to produce a 30 second spot and try to cover up the fact that it's longer, that's dishonesty. Your client WILL notice and they will be very angry. If someone did that to me I would tell everyone I knew not to hire them.

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Rafael Amador
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 5, 2011 at 1:04:59 pm

Hi Christine,
Sorry, I didn't mean to be disrespectful, but as you presented the idea made my imagination fly.
This is easy to do without any plugin.
- Drop a 30" Black Matte on the top layer.
- Apply the TC Generator filter.
- Net the layer.
- Set "Duration: 43.00". NO FRAME BLENDING.
- Apply the "Invert" filter.
- Set "Composite Mode: Multiply".
That's all.
Best,
rafael

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Michael Kammes
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 5, 2011 at 2:46:06 pm

The industry standard for broadcast speed changes is a hardware product called Time Tailor by Prime Image. Used quite often to fit syndicated shows into time slots where the station wants to show more commercials that what the TRT of the show allots for. It's very expensive, and it's only recommended to stay beneath a 10% speed change. 33% is an astronomical amount to alter without anyone visually seeing.

There is no plugin to fool a media player in reporting back a false time....just the aforementioned time code window burn "alteration" listed above.

FWIW, If I tried to falsify the TRT on a spot....I'd never get re-hired by that client again.

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Mark Suszko
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 6, 2011 at 4:39:47 pm

Spike TV used to use that on re-runs of star trek, the next generation. If you look closely, you couls places where it bumped up the frame rate for a millisecond or two. They also use this on radio shows, where I think they call the program (not kidding) "moneymaker".


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Andy Mees
Re: Way to fib the length of a final movie?
on May 6, 2011 at 4:55:25 pm

Difference here tho is our OP very specifically stated that they didn't want to retime the movie, they just "change the timecode counter to make it look like its 30secs but it's actually still 43 when played".


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