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Zevie Tannenbaum
Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 4:12:43 pm

Hi,

I recorded my screen, which has a resolution of 1680x1050. Now I have to export it for my e 720x480 NTSC Final Cut Pro timeline. When I do a custom export of 720x480 and change the 'compression type' to lossless, the video quality is not clear. When I export in full resolution the video quality is clear, but once it gets into Final Cut, it looses its quality, since the timeline is 720X480 NTSC.

My question is, can I export my 1680x1050 ScreenFlow project to 720x480 and keep most of the quality?

Thanks,
Zevie


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 4:27:41 pm

Short answer, no. 720x480 is DV. That's a heavily compressed format. You're taking your large image and squeezing it down into a poor quality format not designed for graphics (which your screen capture is basically).

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 5:05:37 pm

Could I change the timeline to something other then DV?


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 5:13:46 pm

Change it to ProRes in HD format. Do screen captures in resolutions that match your video frame resolution.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 5:43:20 pm

If I do a screen capture that matches my video frame resolution, I loose quality when I export it for my timeline size, since I'm exporting from 1680x1050...


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Chris Tompkins
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 5:47:40 pm

What format are you editing in? Is this a SD project? or a HD?
What is your final delivery format?

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta LLC


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 5:53:08 pm

Its SD. I kinda found out a solution. I multiplied my 720x480 twice then scaled up my SD video and scaled down my HD video, now everything is just about perfect! I've been trying get it to work for quite a while....


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Chris Tompkins
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 6:00:45 pm

Bad Idea! Never scale up your footage past 100% - you loose quality/resolution.
Can you screen capture @ the SD settings? Or as close as possible?

Take you 720X480 timeline and when the edit is done - change the codec to DV50 and re-render all.

Take the screen capture file and output from the app/making a .mov file using the dv50 codec and bring it into FCP. If you cannot not make the screen capture close to or at 720X480 then take the screen capture file into Compressor and output a DV50 clip using the dv50 codec @ 720X480.

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta LLC


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 6:07:38 pm

"1680x1050"

What kind of size is that? If you can't do a screen capture at 1920x1080 do it at 1280x720.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 6:08:57 pm

I recorded my whole screen, you're saying I should export it 1280x720?


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Chris Tompkins
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 6:13:10 pm

Export it @ the size of your sequence you are using it in.

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta LLC


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 6:14:15 pm

I tried in After Effects and Final Cut, but the quality is unclear...


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 6:40:42 pm

You can't record your whole screen if it's in the wrong aspect ratio to be edited. If you can scale your media down to 1280x720 them do it. Or down to 720x480 anamorphic and as Chris said work in DV50, but be aware of the limitations of SD media. Why are you going to SD? Is thus going to DVD? That's going to be a problem for computer screen capture. There is too much detail for a heavily compressed format like this. To do this properly you need a scan converter that can capture the screen directly to a video format.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 6:53:33 pm

Its a video montage that I'm making, and most of the video in the timeline is home NTSC video and a photo slideshow. The final output is a DVD for a standard TV and for a projector. I just tried using Screenflow with a custom export of 1280x720 , but as soon as I drag it into my 720x480 timeline, the video lost most of it's quality...


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 7:21:38 pm

It's not going to look good if you go down to DV. It's not going to look good on DVD. If you want something for DVD I'd suggest you reduce the resolution of your monitor and do a screen capture at DV widescreen size. That's the only hope. Basically the detail on this screen that I'm typing on, and which is probably very similar to yours, is far, far beyond the capabilities of compressed video formats like DV. Just not going to happen. It can't compress these words from this screen and still keep them legible.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 7:37:24 pm

I tired that, doesn't really make a difference... There isn't any way to have two different timelines within one in FCP?


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 7:55:51 pm

No. A sequence has to be in a specific format. You cannot output a file with multiple codecs and formats in it.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 17, 2011 at 8:13:36 pm

I guess the best way to go, is to have a 1440x960 timeline, where my screen capture looks great and then I exported my 720x480 timeline into a regular .Mov video and then imported that into my new 1440x690 timeline. I prefer to do it like this, because before you could barely watch the screen capture video...


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Zevie Tannenbaum
Re: Exporting for 720x480 NTSC Timeline
on Jan 18, 2011 at 10:43:43 pm

I guess the best way to go, is to have a 1440x960 timeline, where my screen capture looks great and then I exported my 720x480 timeline into a regular .Mov video and then imported that into my new 1440x690 timeline

EDIT: So I went with this approach. Made a new timeline, 900x600. This way the screen captured video great and the rest of the video looks a little stretched out, but I don't think anyone going to notice, since its not too bad...

I just wanted to thank everyone who spent time to try and help me figure this out!

All the best,
Zevie


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