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Don Cobble
RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 12, 2010 at 9:52:46 pm

I am new to FCP. I cant test hardly any effect without having to render. Is this normal? What is the best codec to work with my machine? I use XDCAM Transfer to bring it into a FCP format, but have no control on the codec it uses ( it may be the most efficient form for use?) Below is my machine info and camera info. Its does not matter which format I shoot in, I get the same results??

I may be expecting to much from this computer.

Help Please
Don



I have a MAC Pro
2x 2.66ghz dual core Xeon
13 GB Ram
4 Internal 500GB 7200 rpm 32/cache Drives (seagate)
Matrox MX02 mini MAX for HD monitoring
Snow Leopard
FCP 7.0.2 suite

Camera
Sony EX1 shooting in 1920x1080 30P and 1280x720 30P
35 mbps (have no choice to lower this)


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walter biscardi
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 12, 2010 at 11:08:30 pm

RT Effects are controlled by the speed of your media array. What sort of speeds are you getting from the array?

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Don Cobble
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 12, 2010 at 11:37:52 pm

I dont even know what that is and how to check it? I am also new to Mac as well as FCP.


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John Fishback
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 13, 2010 at 2:31:01 pm

You can download a free utility from AJA - System Test - which will measure your drive's speed.

John

MacPro 8-core 2.8GHz 8 GB RAM OS 10.5.8 QT7.6.4 Kona 3 Dual Cinema 23 ATI Radeon HD 3870, 24" TV-Logic Monitor, ATTO ExpressSAS R380 RAID Adapter, PDE enclosure with 8-drive 6TB RAID 5
FCS 3 (FCP 7.0.2, Motion 4.0.2, Comp 3.5.2, DVDSP 4.2.2, Color 1.5.2)

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Don Cobble
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 12, 2010 at 11:57:25 pm

I think what you are asking does not apply to my set up because my drives are not linked just 4 individual drives 5oo GB each 7200 rpm ans 32gb cache.


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Zane Barker
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 13, 2010 at 2:26:55 pm

"my drives are not linked just 4 individual drive"

Leave one as your system drive and raid the other three together using disk utility. This will give you a raid drive that will perfume much better then a single drive.

Just remember that when you create the raid it will completely erase all data on the drives you are raiding together.

**Hindsight is always 1080p**


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Don Cobble
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 13, 2010 at 12:11:41 am

Is there a piece of hardware I can install to speed it up for effects and overall speed


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Rafael Amador
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 13, 2010 at 12:35:48 pm

Set your RT in "Unlimited" mode and change your sequence codec to Prores.
XDCAM is OK as an acquisition codec, but is to compressed for production, and incredibly slow to render. Export to XDCAM only if you have to deliver in that format.
Cheers,
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Don Cobble
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 13, 2010 at 7:21:43 pm

What is an efficient editing Codec to convert my EX1 MP4 into? that would be efficient for my slower machine?
or
will it work better if I buy (for example the G-Tech G-Raid) and use the E SATA port to a raid drive for efficient editing?

or mortgage the house and buy a newer faster MAC? :-)


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John Fishback
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55:05 pm

As Rafael mentioned ProRes is a good one.

John

MacPro 8-core 2.8GHz 8 GB RAM OS 10.5.8 QT7.6.4 Kona 3 Dual Cinema 23 ATI Radeon HD 3870, 24" TV-Logic Monitor, ATTO ExpressSAS R380 RAID Adapter, PDE enclosure with 8-drive 6TB RAID 5
FCS 3 (FCP 7.0.2, Motion 4.0.2, Comp 3.5.2, DVDSP 4.2.2, Color 1.5.2)

Pro Tools HD w SYNC IO & 192 Digital I/O, Yamaha DM1000, Millennia Media HV-3C, Neumann U87, Schoeps Mk41 mics, Genelec Monitors, PrimaLT ISDN


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Rafael Amador
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 14, 2010 at 1:11:42 am

You don't need buy nothing, neither convert any thing.
Just change your sequence codec to Prores.
Your HDs are fast enough.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Don Cobble
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 14, 2010 at 8:27:55 pm

Concerning the RT Slow Warning.
I put Two 1 TB Seagate 32mg cache 7200rpm drives internal and stripe/Raid them together. As posted I then downloaded the AJA drive tester and am geting about 200 +- Read and 200 +- write at 1GB file size 1920x1080 on this 2 Tb set up. Is that good?

If this is good I may just have to high expectations for my MAC Pro to ba able to view Realtime multiple effects with out rendering.

What I was doing is 3 layers of video. Top track 25% opacity Second track 50% opacity and lower track no effect. Then on top of that I put a lower third with a solid back and feathered edges in the crop setting and CAN NOT view it EVEN if I go to settings and put the bit rate to Quarter.

My back graund is with Vegas Pro 8/9 and you can stack a ton tracks and effects and it may get a little choppy but you can view it to see if you like it.

Is it the case with MAC you have to render every thing to simply view it, to see if you like the look?
Just trying to learn my way around the MAC way


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Rafael Amador
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 15, 2010 at 2:53:55 pm

[Don Cobble] "he AJA drive tester and am geting about 200 +- Read and 200 +"
Very good performance.
Did you change the sequence codec to Prores?
Did you set RT Unlimited?
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Don Cobble
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 15, 2010 at 3:34:37 pm

Rafael, thank You for input.
do you mean to change Sequence even though my footage is not in pro res?
Or do you mean to convert the file after it comes in through XDCam transfer as a EX1 1920x1080 MOV?
Should I then use compressor to change that mov to Pro Res?
Don


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Rafael Amador
Re: RT Slow warning with little effects is this normal? New to final cut
on Aug 16, 2010 at 2:14:23 am

Don't transcode.
Just conform your sequence to the XDCAM footage and change the codec to Prores.
The rendering will be faster and the quality better.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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