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Brad Mirman
FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 28, 2010 at 5:21:37 am

I just installed FCP on my new Mac Pro and I keep getting a dropped frame message. Funny, because I never got it on my old Imac. The Mac Pro is far and away a better setup. The Mac Pro specs are

Quad Core 2.66 Ghz
8 MB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB Vdeo Card
2 External WD Firewire 800 drives

I can't figure out why I keep dropping frames. I have set my settings to Unlimited RT and I'm only keeping one sequence at a time loaded.

Any ideas?

Brad


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Roli Rivelino
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 28, 2010 at 7:30:39 am

Just a thought, the dropped frames message can pop up if you're stressing the drives, I noticed that you seem to only have 1 internal drive?

If so have you consigned your scratch disks to the external drive?

Also, if those externals have esata connections, I would get myself a good esata card, (if they're still selling the pro without a built in esata connection) and use the drives that way, if you're going to do a lot of HD editing and grading then you'll need the extra oomph.

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Brad Mirman
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 28, 2010 at 2:28:08 pm

Yes, The first external is set as a scratch drive for video and the second for audio.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 28, 2010 at 4:58:36 pm

[Brad Mirman] "Yes, The first external is set as a scratch drive for video and the second for audio."

That setup was recommended for some NLEs in the past Brad, but it's not a recommended setup for FCP. However, I doubt that's the source of your issue.

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Roli Rivelino
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 28, 2010 at 8:58:15 pm

I also used to get the dropped frame error when I used an external with firewire; I reckon this could be the source of your problems, as I said in my earlier post (sorry to recommend a solution that costs money) you need to either add a second internal drive or get an esata card to connect one or both of your externals.

In the mean time set up your video and audio on the same drive and see what happens.

aka Newbie Wan Kenewbie. "The young Newbie, is now a Padawon."

System
Mac Pro 2.8Gb quad core
8Gb RAM
1x 320Gb 7200 hardrive
1x 1Tb 7200 hardrive
Nvidia Geforce 8800 512mb Graphics card
1x 1Tb external WD 'My Book' eSata

Equipment
Panasonic AG-HVX 200
Firestore FS-100


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Zane Barker
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 28, 2010 at 9:42:38 pm

First off what format video are you editing? And how many streams of video are you trying to playback at the same time?

Second, you have a Mac Pro why have you not added some additional drives inside the thing and made a nice little raid that will give you much better speeds then FireWire?

Have you run disk utility and disk warrior on your drives?



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Kevin Monahan
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 28, 2010 at 9:44:32 pm

Don't set audio and video to separate scratch disk. That'll trip things up.

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Brad Mirman
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 12:34:05 am

What does Disk Warrior give me. It appears to be for file recovery. As for Raid, I am a little nervous about it. It is my understanding with Raid, that if one drive gives out, all information, on all drives are lost


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David Roth Weiss
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 12:53:51 am

Disk Warrior is not a file recovery application, it rewrites and re-organizes the file structure on disk drives and RAIDs, correcting any issues it finds that can lead to lost files or even entire lost drives.

Rather than worrying about using it on your RAID, you should be more concerned about not using it. CalDigit recommends it, and I've used it for five years without it once causing a single issue.

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Brad Mirman
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 12:59:55 am

If I were to go RAID:

Do I need a RAID card?

Should I go RAID 0 or RAID 1?

If I go RAID 0 and one disk goes they all go, right?

Would I be able to back up RAID disks to external disks in case of an internal failure?

I am using two WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200 rpm. Could I use these?

A lot of questions I know, but if I am going to do this I want to do it right.

Thanks


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David Roth Weiss
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 1:37:27 am

Brad,

SATA drives are so robust that they hardly ever crap out, so don't sweat over your media too much, especially the stuff that can be recaptured. That being said, it is prudent to backup to inexpensive firewire drives if you have them around.

And, you can easily stripe two or more drives together as RAID 0 with the Apple Disk Utility and with no raid card. RAID 1 is not a great idea for video, because it eats up half your drive space and saps half of the RAID performance as well, pretty much making it useless.

David Roth Weiss
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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

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Brad Mirman
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 1:49:47 am

So, then I should transfer all my Video and FCP folders from my two internal drives to external drives (to hold info since I am in the middle of a project) -- then set the internal drives to Raid0 (which will erase everything) and then copy folders from the external drives back onto my internal Raid drives?



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David Roth Weiss
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 5:04:02 am

Just do it!

David Roth Weiss
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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

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Brad Mirman
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 5:23:15 am

David,

Okay, I'm doing it. I assume that copying everything to externals drives and back to internal raid is the correct way. Forgive my anxiousness, but I would hate to do it wrong and lose parts of my project.

Thanks for taking the time to walk me through this

Brad


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David Roth Weiss
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 5:39:59 am

You'll be fine Brad, and once you succeed it will give you a tremendous feeling of confidence.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

EPK Colorist - UP IN THE AIR - nominated for six academy awards

A forum host of Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.


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Brad Mirman
Re: FCP dropped frames warning
on Apr 30, 2010 at 6:06:51 pm

Okay, what I'm thinking of doing is this: I will have 4 internal drives in my Mac Pro. I will do nothing to the MacHD OSX disk (drive 1). I will raid0 drive 2 and 3 to use as scratch disk and use the 4th disk as a backup.

I will also backup to external firewire 800 drives?

Does that sound about right, or should I raid drives 2,3 and 4 and use the external firewire drives for backups?

Does using 3 drives in the raid0 configuration give me more than just using 2?

Thanks again


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