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Iain MacKinnon
How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:10:36 am

I've only just noticed that all my reference books and videos etc show everyone else's video editing suites with a TV alongside their computer Monitors. Why is this? And should I be doing it? and how do I do it? And will someone please explain eveything in general to me like a 4 year old!!! Aaaarrrghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
help please :(

Iain MacKinnon
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Rafael Amador
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:46:31 am

Hi Lain,
What you see are TV sets or CRT monitors.
An interlaced monitor (a cheap TV set does the job) is a must when you are working with interlaced footage. In an LCD monitor you won't be able to detect interlacing issues. A TV set is very useful when you work for broadcast or make DVDs.
Other function of the monitors is Color Correction. To do that you need a monitor with certain specs.
You can connect a TV via a camera with FW or with a DVI-Video adaptor. Monitors for Color correction or quality control are connected through IO cards or DVI.

[Iain MacKinnon] "And should I be doing it? "
Good monitoring is essential for this job.
Things can look very well in your computer, but you never know how will look in somebody else screen.
A pro monitor is the only real reference.
Good monitoring is expensive, so think about your real needs before investing money.
Cheers,
rafael


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walter biscardi
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:22:59 am

[Rafael Amador] "An interlaced monitor (a cheap TV set does the job) is a must when you are working with interlaced footage. In an LCD monitor you won't be able to detect interlacing issues. "

With consumer monitors that might be true, but with professional LCD monitors like the FSI line, absolutely you can detect interlacing issues both in HD and SD. That's one the reasons we decided to drop our CRT monitors this year.

As for the original question, Final Cut Pro does not display full quality video in the canvas and expects that you will have a proper television monitor to view your work.


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Steven Gladstone
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:33:58 am

A Pro or Broadcast monitor is good. It is also not a bad idea to have a cheapo crappy monitor as well. MOST people don't have their monitors correctly calibrated, so if you can make it look good on a broadcast monitor AND Aunt Bertha's TV, you are in good shape.

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Stuart Simpson
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:47:58 am

It's because the Final Cut viewer window never shows a true version of your edit. If you really want to see what your edit looks like on a telly, you need to have one connected. Interlace issues in particular are very hard to spot without an external monitor. To do that you'll need a dedicated capture card like an AJA, or you can bounce a signal through a firewire camera or deck.

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Iain MacKinnon
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:07:00 am

OK, so, how do i connect the TV to my Comp? Camera to Mac via firewire and then camera to TV?

Iain MacKinnon
Video Editor
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PA5 8HE

I used to spend my time wondering, now it's all used up rendering.


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Stuart Simpson
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:13:21 am

[Iain MacKinnon] "OK, so, how do i connect the TV to my Comp? Camera to Mac via firewire and then camera to TV?"

As long as you're working on an SD DV timeline with a camera that supports a DV input then yep. That's the cheap option.

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walter biscardi
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:24:35 am

[Iain MacKinnon] "OK, so, how do i connect the TV to my Comp? Camera to Mac via firewire and then camera to TV? "

There are products from Matrox, AJA and BMD to do this. We run the AJA Kona 3 boards in our shop as we also rely on them to ingest material and perform video conversions in realtime.



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Rafael Amador
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 12:42:05 pm

[Iain MacKinnon] " Camera to Mac via firewire and then camera to TV? "
Your camera should have a composite Video IN/OUT or S-Video connexion.


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Iain MacKinnon
Re: How did I miss this? Am I just daft?
on Oct 9, 2009 at 1:51:12 pm

Sorted guys. :)
I'm using a Digital/Analog convertor from my Firewire Port to AV out.
then convert to Scart using AV/Scart connector.
Quite a difference in smoothness and colour isn't it?

Many thanks again everyone. :)

Iain MacKinnon
Video Editor
Splash Productions
20 Thorn Brae
Johnstone
Renfrewshire
Scotland
United Kingdom
PA5 8HE

I used to spend my time wondering, now it's all used up rendering.


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