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Pam Thompson
640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 1, 2016 at 4:33:02 am

I am preparing to edit old SD DV Mini tape previously captured. I was under the impression the footage was all 720x480 as seen in FCP7 board (in pic below) however when loading the clips into CatDv I discovered some were digitalized as 640x480 4:3, and others at 720x480 3:2. Can this be corrected by converting to pro-res or am I doomed to re-digitizing?
Thank you !



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Dave LaRonde
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 3:04:48 am

What's the majority of the video? 720 or 640?

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 3:08:43 am

Overwhelming majority is 640x480. Eventually I will be editing this old footage with new HD video with it.


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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 12:53:17 pm

Overwhelming majority is 640x480. The material is to be combined with HD footage to be shot later this year.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 4:41:51 pm

Good to know. It prompts more questions -- will you deliver HD or SD? If HD, how do you intend the 4x3 SD footage to look in your edit?

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 5:15:56 pm

Well these are great questions that I don't have answers for yet. The material is a documentary filmed over 7 years on a topic that is now timely. There is 500 hours of digitized (4:3) SD that I thought was digitized as 3:2. I do have access to the tapes, although they are aging. We hope to enter film festivals so we are looking to get the best quality. I welcome any suggestions! Thank you kindly for your time and advice!


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Dave LaRonde
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 5:38:46 pm

In which case, I encourage you to look up delivery specifications for the festivals you will enter. Find the highest-quality specs you want to deliver and and work toward that deliverable.

Then you will have a path to everything else.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Shane Ross
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 5:40:00 pm

Well, for the best quality, you will want to recapture all that SD footage through a hardware converter, Either a Terranex or AJA Capture hardware...upconverting that footage to HD Pillarbox. And then manually resize the last 25%. So what I suggest is cutting with the source footage as temp, and then when you go to online, recapture only what's used in the cut via that upconverting method.

Shane
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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 6:10:49 pm

I have been reading about the Terranex. I currently have a Sony DSR-11 deck and work on a Mac with CatDV and Premier. Adding the Terranex to this system will work or will I need a different deck and additional hardware/software? What happens if the tapes are too old to get capture and I have to use the current digitized material?


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Shane Ross
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 6:28:44 pm

Then you'll have to use software means. Adobe After Effects is great at this. the only issue, and its a biggie, is that the rendered file has ZERO links to the original. All metadata is lost...reel number, time code, and time of day tagging, everything. So an EDL of the final online won't reflect the source of the upconverted files at all. So your EDL production or footage tracking will have to be done with the offline locked cut.

PLUS...this is LOT of manual work on a clip by clip bases. You can media manage the footage used in the cut, and get it with handles. But then all the work in AE will be manual...and then the resulting uprezed clips will need to be manually over-cut into the final timeline, eyematching.

That DSR-11 doesn't have good outputs for connecting to a terranex or AJA....composite video only. DV is at least a 1:1 lossless transfer. You'd have to rent a deck with Component outs or SDI outs, and deck control.

Shane
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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 7:10:29 pm

Wow! Im taking a deep breath....I just spoke with B&H. They said the Sony DSR 11 has composite that can hook up to Teranex. I understand that composite does not have the quality of component but they said the Teranex would compensate. They don't even sell component decks anymore. What do You think? I would like to recapture most important footage immediately


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Shane Ross
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 7:23:15 pm

I really don't see how the Terranex can add in information lost when you send out composite. Sorry, they are blowing wind out their ass, in order to sell you the Terranex.

See if you can rent a deck. And as I said, I wouldn't capture it all NOW...that takes up a LOT of space. Edit, and then MEDIA MANAGE your project and recapture only the DV footage you use. Well, there's a lot more involved than that...that's just the basic idea. You'll have to duplicate the sequence, strip out all the non-DV footage, then media manage that as MAKE OFFLINE, and choose an HD format to recapture, then recapture that...then add that new footage back to the sequence. A lot involved. Trust me, I do this for a living. Onlining archival docs is a bit of my specialty.

Shane
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Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 7:44:15 pm

Now this is a stretch but I have a old media 100 system that used pipeline to the deck and had a converter so that provided component output. Can that be rigged to work? Sorry to be, well stupid but I have been out of video world for a long time! I am thinking that the cost of a component deck rental is going to add up quick.


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Shane Ross
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 9:26:40 pm

[Pam Thompson] "Now this is a stretch but I have a old media 100 system that used pipeline to the deck and had a converter so that provided component output. Can that be rigged to work?"

Sorry, I have no idea.

Shane
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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 2, 2016 at 11:26:15 pm

The beauty of working with antiquated systems, someone can lend me a JVC BR-DV600U deck. That will work with the Teranex 2d? Big thank yous!


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Shane Ross
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 3, 2016 at 3:28:59 pm

That deck has component outs, and the Terranex has component inputs. Yup, should work fine.

Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Pam Thompson
Re: 640x480 vs 720x480 complication
on May 4, 2016 at 12:52:49 am

Fabulous! Thank you and Dave and all at Creative Cow for your guidance! It means the world to me and the project!


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