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Greta Mabral
Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 10, 2015 at 10:14:59 am

Hallo,

I just imported through log and transfer some footage shot on a canon 550D.
The footage is Ntsc. After importing I noticed that Final Cut was still set to Pal on the AUdio/Video Setting and Easy Setup.
Can I just change it now or do I have to delete the footage and transfer it again after the change?

Thank you!!


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Nick Meyers
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 10, 2015 at 3:20:32 pm

your A/V settings shouldn't affect your Log & Transfer

to be clear, however, the camera footage would not be NTSC, as that is a Standard Def format.
it may well have a frame rate of 29.97, but that alone does not make it NTSC.


nick


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Greta Mabral
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 10, 2015 at 4:38:44 pm

Thank you!

I have a frame rate of 23.98 (1920x 1080), it says in the item properties of Final Cut.
Now I am confused. How can I be sure wether the footage is pal or ntsc?

Trying to learn the basics :)


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Franck Pierron
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 10, 2015 at 5:01:19 pm

23.98 is neither NTSC or PAL, it's the "video equivalency" of the film framerate....and 23.98 should work in both systems.

Director/DoP/video editor
Aliaspictures.com


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Shane Ross
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 10, 2015 at 5:17:55 pm

PAL and NTSC are more than frame rates...they are frame sizes, and really pertained to Standard Def formats. Now the frame sizes in HD are universal...the only difference is frame rate. The PAL frame rate is 25fps. Your footage was shot 23.98, and imported as 23.98...so it's 23.98. And believe it or not, that's not an NTSC format! NTSC is 29.97fps. FILM is 24fps, but the video version of the film frame rate is 23.98 (due to color video running slower than true film rates...it's complicated.)

You are fine...your footage isn't PAL. It was shot 23.98 1920x1080 and imported at 1920x1080 23.98. You are all set.

What a time to learn the basics...the basics are now EXTREMELY complex. It was all much easier when there was PAL (720x576 - 25fps) and NTSC (720x486 - 29.97fps)...PERIOD. Now?

FPS - 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 48, 50, 59.94, 60, 120
Frame size - 720x480, 720x486, 720x576, 960x720, 1280x720, 1280x1080, 1440x1080, 1920x1080, 2048×1080, 3840x2160, 5120x2700, 7680x4320

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Nick Meyers
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 10, 2015 at 10:06:42 pm

what were PAL and NTSC territories still prefer those frame rates,

so old PAL territories (like Australia where I live) still broadcast at 25fps,
and old NTSC territories want 29.97 (and 23.98?)


nick


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 10, 2015 at 11:08:39 pm

You're correct on the countries and the frame rates.

Except 23.976, aka 23.98 -- for broadcast, it needs to be 29.97 at 1080 with 3:2 pulldown added to bring the 23.976 file to 29.97.

720 works much nicer for task of matching up the frame rates. Since it's 59.94 discrete frames per second, you can add a 23.976 file to a 720p 59.94 timeline and immediately export as 59.94. You'll see 3 frames, then 2 frames, then 3, then 2... ad nauseum. It's like adding the pulldown automatically.

Now, don't go thinking you can EDIT 23.976 in a 59.94 timeline. You'll get hopelessly lost if you do.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Greta Mabral
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 17, 2015 at 11:16:18 am

Thank you.
But I still don´t understand how to be sure if my footage is Ntsc or Pal. How could I do that?

Because in FInal Cut´s Easy Setup now I have it on Ntsc and I am not sure if Is correct, and in case if not, if it could affect the footage.


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Nick Meyers
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 17, 2015 at 11:40:11 am

"I still don´t understand how to be sure if my footage is Ntsc or Pal. How could I do that?"

your footage is not PAL, it is not NTSC.
they are Standard Def, your footage is HD

"in FInal Cut´s Easy Setup now I have it on Ntsc and I am not sure if Is correct, and in case if not, if it could affect the footage."

yes, well that could happen.
the easy set up is not the real issue, it's the sequence settings.
you could wind up putting your HD footage into an NTSC sequence, and losing quality

under the Final Cut Pro Menu, click on Audio Video settings
when they open, go to the sequence presets tab.
you need to pick one that matches your clip.

right click on one of your clips, and chose item properties
look at your clip's properties, and make suer they match.

when you select a sequence, you have to click to the right of the name,
it has to be ticked, or it isn't selected.


now, you could not do this, and just edit one clip into a new sequence,
you will get a window asking if you want your sequence to match your clip.
on the whole this method works
BUT
down the track, if you copy and paste an edit from one sequence into another,
it could happen that you DONT get that window, and you'll wind up pasting into a wrong sequence, and losing quality.

if you always rememberer to put just one clip into a new sequence first, and saying "yes" you want them to match it'l be ok.
or you could do it right, and chose the correct sequence preset.



nick


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Greta Mabral
Re: Ntsc Pal Settings Problem
on Nov 17, 2015 at 12:00:27 pm

Thank you! Now its all clear :))


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