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chris gorman
Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 1, 2015 at 4:43:38 pm
Last Edited By chris gorman on Mar 1, 2015 at 5:27:42 pm

My old PowerMac G5 (pre-Intel model) is too slow. Any recommendations for which used MacPro would be a good upgrade. I want to be able to run OSX.4.11, QT 7.5.5, FCStudio2, FCP 6.0.5.

I'm concerned that my software may not run on Intel and newer, not sure. I think fcp 6 cannot run on intel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I notice some used MacPro's have ssd's. Are there pros and cons to using ssd as the boot drive when doing video editing with fcp?

What's the minimum upgrade I'd need for a worthwhile increase in rendering speed?

PowerPC G5 DP2.3, 4GB DDR SDRAM, ATI X800XT, OSX.4.11, QT 7.5.5, FCStudio2, FCP 6.0.5 Sonnet 5 Bay SATA (RAID or JBOD as needed), ACD 23" & Sony NTSC Monitor via Matrox v.1
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Shane Ross
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 1, 2015 at 11:24:14 pm

[chris gorman] "Any recommendations for which used MacPro would be a good upgrade. I want to be able to run OSX.4.11, QT 7.5.5, FCStudio2, FCP 6.0.5."

Any 2010 MacPro with the Nehalem processors.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/index-macpro.html

Anything after that won't be able to run the OS you want...they need to run later versions.

[chris gorman] "I'm concerned that my software may not run on Intel and newer, not sure. I think fcp 6 cannot run on intel. Correct me if I'm wrong."

FCP 6 works on Intel. FCP 5.1 was the first to be both PowerPC and Intel...so you are good.

[chris gorman] "I notice some used MacPro's have ssd's. Are there pros and cons to using ssd as the boot drive when doing video editing with fcp? "

The only MacPro to ship from Apple with SSDs are the new ones, the tubes. Every other one came standard with regular SATA spinning drives. If a used one has it, it means it was installed later. Pros...it boots lots faster and loads apps faster. CONS...less space. There's no speed booth to apps, other than initial loading.

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John Rofrano
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 2, 2015 at 1:26:58 am

You didn't mention a price range. Here are two ends of the spectrum:

I picked up a 2008 Mac Pro 2.8Ghz 8-Core (Harpertown/Penryn) w/16GB memory, 2TB HD, and an ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB GPU on eBay for $640. You could run Snow Leopard on that (10.6) with Final Cut Studio 2 just fine. I have the original FC Studio with FCP 5 running on it without a problem.

My main Mac Pro is a 2010 2.93Ghz 12-Core (Westmere), 24GB Memory, 4TB RAID, w/ATI Radeon HD 5870 that I got for $2275 on eBay. That would be a huge upgrade for you and it also supports Snow Leopard and FC Studio 2 (although I'm running Yosemite and FCP X on it) but I'm thinking just an 8-Core 2008 Mac Pro would be a lot faster than your PowerMac G5. There are lots of them on eBay in the $600 range. Well worth the price when you consider how powerful they still are.

I put SSD's on both of my Mac Pro's and they just fly now. The difference is quite dramatic. I wouldn't use a computer without one.

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chris gorman
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 2, 2015 at 5:13:11 am

Thank you, that's encouraging. I had heard/read somewhere that third party ssd hds could cause problems with macs. I hope I can find that info and re-read it because I don't remember the details.

PowerPC G5 DP2.3, 4GB DDR SDRAM, ATI X800XT, OSX.4.11, QT 7.5.5, FCStudio2, FCP 6.0.5 Sonnet 5 Bay SATA (RAID or JBOD as needed), ACD 23" & Sony NTSC Monitor via Matrox v.1
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Shane Ross
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 2, 2015 at 5:23:51 am

They don't. I have an OWC SSD in my MacBook Pro and it's great. Going to add another.

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John Rofrano
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 2, 2015 at 10:50:49 pm

[chris gorman] "I had heard/read somewhere that third party ssd hds could cause problems with macs. I hope I can find that info and re-read it because I don't remember the details."
What you may have heard is that OS X doesn't support TRIM for non-Apple SSD's. This is true and is important. Unlike HDD's, SSD's cannot write to a location that has been written to until it is first erased. As your disk is used and more and more areas are written to and then freed up by deleting files, the performance slows down because the SSD first has to erase and then write instead of just writing like before the areas was used. TRIM support takes advantage of idle cycles on your system by erasing unused areas of the SSD so that they are ready to be written to and thus performance is maintained just like when the SSD was new.

There are TRIM Enablers that you can use but unfortunately on Yosemite, you have to turn off kext signing to use them because they are not signed by Apple so it lowers the security of your system. It would be nice if Apple would allow TRIM support for 3rd party SSD's.

BTW, it is important that you go into your disk preferences and tell OS X to never put your SSD to sleep because this is when TRIM kicks in. Besides, there are no moving parts so sleeping does nothing but stop TRIM from working anyway.
[Shane Ross] "I have an OWC SSD in my MacBook Pro and it's great."
Are the OWC SSD's supported by Apple TRIM? I thought I ready somewhere that they were.

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Mark Suszko
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 3, 2015 at 2:47:16 pm

Nobody else seems to want to say it, so I will: sprucing-up a new or even used mac to run your old copy of FCP6, (Six, not even seven!) at this stage, is like taking the guppy you won at the state fair midway to a vet when it looks ill. For the expense and effort you're going to, you might as well upgrade to FCPX and Motion5. Old wine in new wineskins,and all that.


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John Rofrano
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 5, 2015 at 12:04:54 pm

[Mark Suszko] "Nobody else seems to want to say it, so I will: sprucing-up a new or even used mac to run your old copy of FCP6, (Six, not even seven!) at this stage, is like taking the guppy you won at the state fair midway to a vet when it looks ill."
I'm not so sure I would agree. His "guppy" isn't sick... it's just a little tired. ;-) This is falls more into the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" category. As long as old software is working for you, why should you upgrade? Yes, when you have time to learn something new or want to seek new benefits then I agree, get a new Mac with FCP X, but if you have a workflow that isn't broken, and you just want a little more power in the engine room, I see no reason to change everything.

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Mark Suszko
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 5, 2015 at 1:20:44 pm

Whatever spins your beach ball, I guess, but in essence with the proposed hardware upgrades to such old software, they're building a version of the old joke about "Washington's Axe".

https://yandoo.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/theseuss-paradox/


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chris gorman
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 5, 2015 at 4:51:53 pm

Ha, Ha, the guppy comparison is well taken. However, I'm a bit stuck because I'm working on things that were started on this old guppy long ago, and the client returned for editing on the same project. Meantime, when new work comes in I can't wait until I have totally upgraded hardware, software, and learn fcp x, or whatever. I know I need to make that leap, but I have to have the right window of time and enough $ and work to make it worth the investment.

PowerPC G5 DP2.3, 4GB DDR SDRAM, ATI X800XT, OSX.4.11, QT 7.5.5, FCStudio2, FCP 6.0.5 Sonnet 5 Bay SATA (RAID or JBOD as needed), ACD 23" & Sony NTSC Monitor via Matrox v.1
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John Rofrano
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 6, 2015 at 1:16:12 am

[chris gorman] "I know I need to make that leap, but I have to have the right window of time and enough $ and work to make it worth the investment."
The two systems I suggested will allow you to use FCP 6 today and FCP X tomorrow with no additional cost of hardware. Both the 2008 and 2010 Mac Pro will run Snow Leopard (for FCP 6) and Yosemite (for FCP X). You could dual boot and use both as needed.

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chris gorman
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 5, 2015 at 7:49:05 pm

Thank you for the info on that issue. I checked with OWC. They said that if the computer has their ssd, it's ok - it does not have the Trim problem. If it's their ssd, the specs will list Mercury Extreme Pro.

PowerPC G5 DP2.3, 4GB DDR SDRAM, ATI X800XT, OSX.4.11, QT 7.5.5, FCStudio2, FCP 6.0.5 Sonnet 5 Bay SATA (RAID or JBOD as needed), ACD 23" & Sony NTSC Monitor via Matrox v.1
Sony ZIU hdv, edit w.ProRes


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John Rofrano
Re: Upgrade to PowerMac for fcp 6
on Mar 6, 2015 at 1:17:33 am

[chris gorman] "I checked with OWC. They said that if the computer has their ssd, it's ok - it does not have the Trim problem."
That's good to know and probably explains why their SSD's cost more.

~jr

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