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Mitchell Huie
insert edit HDCAM 23.98 -> 59.94
on Jan 23, 2014 at 10:05:35 pm

Hello, I was wondering how to go upon inserting an edit onto an HDcam tape. I understand how to do it from a 23.98 project to a 23.98 hdcam tape but I'm having trouble figuring out how to do it from a 23.98 project to a 59.94 tape.

My workflow is to set easy setup to blackmagic HDTV 23.98 -> 59.94i then change the device settings in edit to tape to 1080i 59.94. All while in the 23.98 project.

Sometimes the playback fails and I want to pickup the playback from the nearest commercial black. How would I go upon doing this?

the reason im confused is because the project timecode ( 23.98 ) varies from the tape timecode (59.94) so i'm unsure where to put the in/out points on the timeline as well as the in/out points on the hdcam. any help would be appreciated, thanks


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Shane Ross
Re: insert edit HDCAM 23.98 -> 59.94
on Jan 23, 2014 at 10:44:34 pm

Can't do it with any frame accuracy guarantee, unfortunately. Due to the conversion, you can't be exact frame to frame. I've had success only in outputting full acts. The start will lock, and the output goes into the black, so I'm fine.

Shane
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Mitchell Huie
Re: insert edit HDCAM 23.98 -> 59.94
on Jan 24, 2014 at 4:13:05 pm

is it possible it's my blackmagic card acting up? is it possible to reset the card or something along those lines


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Shane Ross
Re: insert edit HDCAM 23.98 -> 59.94
on Jan 24, 2014 at 5:40:00 pm

NO...it's an issue with insert editing and mixed frame rates. Always problematic when converting 23.98 to 29.97 upon output. Insert Editing rarely works out right...thus why I either need to redo whole tape, or from the head of an act to an act break, where there's black to cover my butt.

Shane
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Dave LaRonde
Re: insert edit HDCAM 23.98 -> 59.94
on Jan 24, 2014 at 5:40:59 pm
Last Edited By Dave LaRonde on Jan 24, 2014 at 5:45:39 pm

Nope. It has to do the 3:2 pulldown the card adds. If the insert edit happens in the wrong place in the cadence, it can really screw things up, and you have to do the whole show over.

Can we assume that the original project was ALSO cut at 23.98, with the card adding the pulldown? How did it get to tape originally? That's what you have to do to make the tiny, little change... or do as Shane rcommends.

Dave LaRonde
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KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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