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raju bhai
media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 10, 2013 at 5:49:12 am

Hi, i have footage shot at 23.98 fps in Canon 5d. I need to transcode the files to edit in FCP 7. I am using MPEG streamclip for this. Is MPEG streamclip quality as good as Compressor?
OK, these are my FCP7 sequence settings:



1920 x 1080 HDTV 1080i(16:9)
pixel aspect ratio: square
filed dominance: none
compressor: apple prores 422

Are the above the best/correct settings for canon 5d (23.98 fps) footage in FCP 7? Please let me know, thank you!

(I previously made the mistake of editing in h264 and then transcoding afterwards to apple prores 422 and then reconnecting all the files in the timeline, but my whole edit got screwed up as it didn't reconnect properly and i had to to recut every clip on the timeline to match. I don't want to make anymore time consuming mistakes like that.)

Now for my second question, what are the best settings to make on MPEG streamclip? I imagine apple prores 422, 1280 x 720 (unscaled)? which field dominance, upper field first? (on my FCP sequence settings it is currently set to no field dominance, should i deselect interlaced scaling so that no interlace option is checked off?

i hope someone can point me in the right direction with choosing the right options, thank you very much


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Simon Modery
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 10, 2013 at 8:46:27 am

Well, it really depends on how the footage was shot. The 5D can shoot 720 and 1080. Progressive as well as interlaced. Import one of the original files into FCP, right-click on the clip and select Item Properties in the dropdown-menue. There you can see what the framesize and the field-dominanceof the clip has. Then use these settings in MPEG streamclip.
Apple Prores is definitly the right codec to use (Don't go for the HQ one, it is pointless or even harmful for 8bit footage).

I use this program to convert 5D footage, it is lightly better than Streamclip in my oppinion. It is called 5D to RBG and just transcodes 5D footage into prores.
http://rarevision.com/5dtorgb/

Head of Postproduction
Motherlode

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Massimo Alberto Croce
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 10, 2013 at 9:19:33 am

you can use the canon Log & Transfer plug in and import directly in FCP
http://software.canon-europe.com/software/0039308.asp

Massimo Alberto Croce
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Warren Eig
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 10, 2013 at 3:41:11 pm

I agree with Simon. Get 5DtoRGB Batch. If does the best conversion L&T in FCP7 is sketchy and I've abandoned it for 5D conversion. The latest version of 5DtoRGB is built on the AV Foundation and is multiprocessor aware. It is very fast.

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Brent Dunn
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 10, 2013 at 3:00:12 pm

Why 720p? Keep it high quality for the edit. 1920 x 1080 24p, uncheck interlace scaling or deinterlace.

ProRes HQ 1080 24p setting

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raju bhai
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 11, 2013 at 7:57:32 pm

OK, i am using MPEG Streamclip for this. And all footage shot on Canon 5D with 23.98 frame rate. I'm not looking to conserve hard disk space. Instead, I'm looking for best quality. That being said, I am transcoding to regular "apple prores 422"

i have 3 specific questions:

1- How do i know if it is progressive or not? If progressive, then i deselect all the interlacing options on the right in MPEG streamclip, but what is the difference between progressive and non-progressive?

2 - Also, in item properties for my raw footage it shows all my files as 23.98, so i imagine i should type 23.98 for frame rate rather than 24 in MPEG Streamclip, is that correct? also i guess i will keep "Better Downscaling" deselected since i don't even know what that means and it's probably something i don't want.

3- The field dominance in my FCP7 sequence is set to "none." But on MPEG Streamclip it gives me only two options, either "upper" or "lower field first." Which one should i select?

Awaiting your replies, thanks again!


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raju bhai
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 11, 2013 at 8:06:10 pm

OK, i am using MPEG Streamclip for this. And all footage shot on Canon 5D with 23.98 frame rate. I'm not looking to conserve hard disk space. Instead, I'm looking for best quality. That being said, I am transcoding to regular "apple prores 422"

i have 3 specific questions:

1- How do i know if it is progressive or not? If progressive, then i deselect all the interlacing options on the right in MPEG streamclip, but what is the difference between progressive and non-progressive?

2 - Also, in item properties for my raw footage it shows all my files as 23.98, so i imagine i should type 23.98 for frame rate rather than 24 in MPEG Streamclip, is that correct? also i guess i will keep "Better Downscaling" deselected since i don't even know what that means and it's probably something i don't want.

3- The field dominance in my FCP7 sequence is set to "none." But on MPEG Streamclip it gives me only two options, either "upper" or "lower field first." Which one should i select?

Awaiting your replies, thanks again!

PS: OK i forgot to mention also, the raw footage is all 1980 x 1080. But on MPEG streamclip, when you choose that option it says it will scale it. What does that mean? is that OK? also, the option on MPEG Streamclip says HDTV 1080i. I guess the "i" means interlaced, in which case it won't be progressive, so then i should choose an interlacing option on MPEG streamclip? as you can see i'm quite confused.


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Warren Eig
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 11, 2013 at 8:06:46 pm

23.98 is a rounded off number for 23.976. Always use 23.976. Try going to the app store and getting the free 5DtoRGB Lite. It does a much better job. I use the paid version that does Batch renders. It is very fast and a much better job en MPEGStream Clip. Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with the company that owns 5DtoRGB, I'm just an enduser.

Warren Eig
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Simon Modery
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 13, 2013 at 10:28:12 am

I agree with Warren. Get 5D to RBG. Not only will it do a better job, ii also will automatically detect weather your footage is progressive or interlaced (and your type of interlaced - upper or lower).

The other way to find out about your Field Dominance to import one clip info FCP and right-click on it. From the drop down menu you select "Item Properties". A window will open, check what it written under "Field Dominance". It can be progressive (no field dominance) upper and lower. Use that in MPEGstream if you really need to use that program.

You should also set your sequence setting to the same value. If you need to de-interlace your material for delivery, I would do that in the last step (when you export out of FCP)

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raju bhai
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 14, 2013 at 2:29:10 am

and i imagine i should select 1920 x 1080 (unscaled) instead of 1920 x 1080 (HDTV 1080i)?
is that right?

i would use 5DtoRGB but i am on OSX 10.58, and i believe 5DtoRGB requires minumum 10.6.
Also, half the video was already cut with footage converted through MPEG streamclip.


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raju bhai
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 14, 2013 at 12:20:49 am

Hi! thanks. How is 5DtoRGB better that MPEG Streamclip? I already did half the transcodes in MPEG Streamclip and the quality looks superb. Does the image quality come out even better with 5DtoRGP?

i'll use 23.976 but the first batch of transcodes were done by somebody else and he may have already used 23.98 instead. Is it ok if i have a mix of clips with both 23.976 and 23.98 settings in the same sequence?


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Warren Eig
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 14, 2013 at 5:26:55 am

5DtoRGB lets you process at either REC 601, 709 or Full gamma. I don't think MPEG Streamclip does.

I don't know what happens when you mix 2.976 with 23.98.

Warren Eig
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Simon Modery
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 14, 2013 at 8:18:09 am

Hi,
5D to RGB improves the look by counter-balancing the fairly strong compression of the 5D.
Have a look at that:
http://simonmodery.com/2011/05/15/optimising-5d-footage/

However, the improvement is minimal and definitely not worth doing it again.

Mixed frame rates result in interpolated pictures (because the program needs to create frames that are not in the material). Depending on the amount of movement in the footage it might or might not look all right. Footage of a car race suffers more from interpolated frames than a guy talking to camera.
But either way mixed frame rates mean additional render time. So if 50% of the footage is already processed at the wrong frame rate I would probably do the rest in the same way ...

Head of Postproduction
Motherlode

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raju bhai
Re: media streamclip: canon 5d to FCP7
on May 14, 2013 at 10:55:55 pm

ok thanks very much

1 more question:

I went ahead and transcoded the clips in 1920 x 1080 unscaled. But my sequence settings on my FCP7 project are 1920 x 1080 with HDTV 1080i aspect ratio. I've already edited half the project with this sequence setting. Is that a mismatch? does unscaled mean it's progressive? and does 1080i mean interlaced?


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