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Eric Holzapfel
Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Dec 30, 2012 at 3:37:20 am

Hello All,
I have done some searching on this topic, but have not found the answer.
What is a good FCP 7 setup for editing a sequence using a ProRes file created from
18fps super 8mm film? I would also like the frame rate to be 18fps (I know I can
use Adobe After Effects to get an 18fps movie). I see where FCP 7 will not support
18fps. I have not considered using FCPX for this. I am shooting a film in Super 8!
Ha nothing like cutting edge technology!

I was wondering was a good sequence setting would be to edit in FCP 7. Also, this may be put
on a DVD later on. I am trying to avoid artifacting, etc, at least for display on youtube, etc.

any tips on this will help.

Thanks,

Eric

Final Cut Pro, Adobe After Effects, Photoshop


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Rafael Amador
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Dec 30, 2012 at 11:49:52 am

Right.
18fps is not an standard video time-base. Not sure if FCPX will take it because is more standard prone that FC.
Edit on a sequence with whatever time base you prefer and when you have all the stuff edited, select all in the sequence and Left click > Change speed.
The keep the speed at 100% but uncheck "Frame Blending".
FC will repeat the frames needed to get the sequence time-base, but won't blend them.
rafael

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Eric Holzapfel
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Jan 1, 2013 at 12:39:18 am

Hello Rafael,
That is an interesting tip, and one I have not seen before.
I will try it out.
Thanks

eric

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Eric Holzapfel
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Jan 11, 2013 at 5:47:19 pm

Hello Rafael,

I tried this. i selected all clips in the sequence, and un-checked frame blending.
Problem is, that the check mark goes away, but when I look at a clip (or clips) the check
mark has returned! Any ideas on this?

Thanks,

Eric

Final Cut Pro, Adobe After Effects, Photoshop


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Nick Meyers
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Dec 31, 2012 at 7:31:01 am

a couple of questions:
how did you do your telecine? are the files really at 18fps? or did you simply do a frame-for frame telecine?
what format are your files?
what sort of DVD would you make? PAL or NTSC


nick


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Eric Holzapfel
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Jan 11, 2013 at 5:39:12 pm

hello Nick,
Thanks for reply. I had the film professionally telecined by a lab that does this.
The camera footage was shot at 18fps (its only speed). The lab provided an Apple
Pro Res file saying it was at 18fps. I do not plan to put it on a DVD at the moment, but
show it on the web. If I put it on a DVD, it will be NTSC.

I check the file properties in FCP and it show a video rate of 29.97, etc with the standard 4:3
ratio, etc.

Thanks,

Eric

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Nick Meyers
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Jan 12, 2013 at 10:42:43 am

it's still not entirely clear what you have.
there are a few possible options i can see:

1.
film was telecined at 29.97, so that every frame of film corresponds to a frame of video.
this is good as you can do more with the film in post,
but you have to do a decent speed change on the footage
i dont think you have this.

2.
film was telecined at 18fps
obviously 18fps doesn't go too evenly into 30 fps
so there is most likely blending of the S8 frames on every frame of video.

this can make it a little bit harder to edit as there can be 2 images on a one frame, at the original cut points, but it's not a big deal

really the question is does it look good to you?


if the answer to that is yes,
then the answer to your original question is easy:
edit in a sequence that matches the file you have.
and there should be no need to alter speed at all.


nick


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Eric Holzapfel
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Feb 6, 2013 at 4:40:29 am

Hello Nick,

I have a new/old question. I have some new footage, shot at 24fps. In camera. The telecined
file is Apple Pro Res, but at 29.97. I have audio recorded for this footage. Needless to say
the audio will not sync. I have run the 29.97 file through Compressor, and set it to 24fps.
But the audio, still does not quite match. It is close. Any ideas? Granted Super 8mm is not
the greatest, but I was hoping for closer results.

thanks,

Eric

Final Cut Pro, Adobe After Effects, Photoshop


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Nick Meyers
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Feb 6, 2013 at 7:27:21 am

hi eric.

with 29.97 fps, i would think you'd need to do a REVERSE TELECINE in compressor,
not a conform.

(or possibly a reverse telecine , THEN a conform to true 24fps, although i doubt that would make a lot of difference with super-8)

i am a little out of my depth there, as i live in PAL land, so never have to deal with reverse telecine.

re-conform your rushes back to 29.97.,
make a copy of them,
and read up on reverse telecine in the compressor manual.

maybe time for a new thread, too.

good luck with it,
nick


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Eric Holzapfel
Re: Sequence Settings in FCP 7 for Telecine Super8mm film
on Feb 9, 2013 at 4:05:11 am

Hello Nick,

I will check it out and play around. I do not really need to waste too much time on this!

later,

eric

Final Cut Pro, Adobe After Effects, Photoshop


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