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Toby Tomkins
4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 11:44:46 am

Is is possible? If so, how? Do I have to use dual link or can the SRW-5500 take in 3gb/s single link? Should timeline settings also be RGB?

The media is ProRes 4444 10b 1080p

Thanks!

Toby


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Rafael Amador
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 1:56:38 pm

[Toby Tomkins] "The media is ProRes 4444 10b 1080p"
1080p what?
p24, p25,p30?
If you are talking about p50/60, the SRW-5500 can't record that.
http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/product/hdcamvtrs/srw-5500/features
For anything that can be recorded on that VTR, you only need single link.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Toby Tomkins
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 2:18:42 pm

I have two timelines to layback, one 24p, the other 25p. Th 5500 can record 4:4:4 SR over dual link at both of these frame rates can it not? How do I get the output from FCP?


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Rafael Amador
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 3:23:30 pm

[Toby Tomkins] "I have two timelines to layback, one 24p, the other 25p. Th 5500 can record 4:4:4 SR over dual link at both of these frame rates can it not?"
Yes can do it with an optional input card (HKSR-5003 ):
http://www.kpprovideo.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=7...

[Toby Tomkins] "How do I get the output from FCP?"
When you install the BM, you should get a sequence preset for your that kind of footage.
Then you should have that option in the View Menu > External video.
Select the option and when you play the movie from the sequence, you should have the movie out of the Decklink and feeding the VTR.
I guess you need to set properly the Blackmagic control panel.
I can't help you on that.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Toby Tomkins
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 3:28:16 pm

I've got a 422 10b signal out OK but can't figure out how to get 4:4:4 over dual link (The 5500 deck has the 444 add-in board fitted) in FCP. I think I can get 4:4:4 RGB out of resolve but can't see an option in FCP. Any ideas?


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Rafael Amador
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 3:44:27 pm

[Toby Tomkins] " I can get 4:4:4 RGB out of resolve but can't see an option in FCP."
In the FCs View> External Video you should have a Prores 444 option, out of that, FC has nothing to do with the dual link. FC just has to play the movie from the PR444 sequence.
You have to get that done in the BM panel and in the desk.

This thread is about capturing 444 on that desk, but might help you:
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/259/281#284
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Joseph Owens
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 5:19:16 pm

[Rafael Amador] "For anything that can be recorded on that VTR, you only need single link."

Don't know where that is coming from as it would only apply to 5500s not equipped with the 5003 interface. Dual-Link is certainly part of the SR recording format when optioned correctly.

Single-Link 4:4:4 is not possible with the 5500, as it was introduced with the 5800 series.

Looking at my HDLink Extreme3D software, though, I can see where the frustration sets in, as there is no "control panel" the way that AJA graphically sets up its throughput, so that you can definitely see the "cable" connections as they should be configured. Maybe this is part of a Blackmagic pro-sumer mentality.

However, in the System Configuration page of the Blackmagic Decklink software, you will find a couple of radio buttons, one of which is "Use 4:4:4 when possible", and there is another switch which toggles 3 Gb/sec single link. The REAL kicker, though is that not all ProRes 4:4:4 is RGB, since Apple designed the codec as a container that can carry both Y'CbCr and RGB, but no indication as to which it might be in any given situation. So you might actually be trying to send Y'CbCr down an RGB pipeline and you won't get anything but grief at the other end.

And that is an egregious oversight, and more evidence to me that Apple really and truly does not understand video and thinks its all just "graphics".

jPo

"I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.


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Toby Tomkins
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 5:33:26 pm

Great reply.

As for YUV/RGB, wouldn't the FCP timeline settings specify the output? Ie if source is YUV and sequence RGB then FCP would handle the conversion.

Is it even possible to get dual link RGB 10b 444 out of FCP with a decklink hd extreme 3d!?


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Rafael Amador
Re: 4:4:4 output from FCP with Decklink HD Extreme 3D to Sony SRW-5500
on Jun 25, 2012 at 6:54:01 pm

[Joseph Owens] "[Rafael Amador] "For anything that can be recorded on that VTR, you only need single link."

Don't know where that is coming from as it would only apply to 5500s not equipped with the 5003 interface. Dual-Link is certainly part of the SR recording format when optioned correctly."

you're very right Joseph. I mended that statement on my second post, where I mention the need of the optional "input card HKSR-5003".
rafael


[Toby Tomkins] " Ie if source is YUV and sequence RGB then FCP would handle the conversion. "
FC works only in 8bRGB.
It will play your 10bRGB movie, but don't try to process it in any other way.
As joseph mentioned, when you select PR444 you have no option to select YUV or RGB.
I think that this depends of the application that is processing: In FCP which only can process in10bYUV, should be YUV. Applications like AE or Color that process in 16/32b RGB, should be RGB.
Nothing clear in Apple papers.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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