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Hope Holmesby
After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 6:50:50 pm

Hi there, Thanks so very much for reading,

Really appreciate!


Am working with SD 1024 x 576 in AE, rendering as .mov, then importing into FCP for a final render of .mov

Problem: When outputting from AE, and importing the .mov into FCP, FCP is rejecting with an alert message that the 'Sequence Preset' settings are not matching, and then shows red render lines for that .mov in the sequence.

More Details below:

When dragging an AE rendered .mov into FCP get this message:



When clicking 'no', (choosing NOT to change the FCP settings) get red render-needed lines in the FCP sequence.

When clicking 'yes' to change the FCP sequence settings, it changes the sequence settings from this:



To this: (Note: the 'pixel aspect ratio' has been changed, a check is now by 'anamorphic', and the 'compressor' setting for photo jpeg is now 100% instead of 86%):





Then the .mov in fcp looks like this:




Instead of how it should look, which is like this:




Below are the exact settings used in AE and FCP:

Here are the After Effects settings for the AE 'comp', and 'render' and 'output':







Here are the Final Cut Pro Settings for the Project: Easy SetUp, Sequence Presets:







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Dave LaRonde
Re: After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 8:18:18 pm

Even if it's widescreen, standard-definition PAL remains 720x576.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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David Roth Weiss
Re: After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 8:38:34 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Even if it's widescreen, standard-definition PAL remains 720x576."

And, not square pixels...

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Dave LaRonde
Re: After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 8:44:56 pm

As I tried to edit my post, you beat me with a new one, David. No harm.

I'll just continue: in After Effects, the OP can nest the 1024x576 comp in a new comp created by using the PAL DV Widescreen comp preset -- NOT the square-pixel kind -- and then scale to fit. After that, it's a render in the FCP editing codec. I see that it's Photo JPEG.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 8:54:05 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Ah, but what is that FCP editing codec supposed to be? With all those window grabs, I got mixed up. Sorry."

No worries of course David.

I'm also confused, but that's because Hope started out on the wrong foot.

I think she needs to go back and change her AE project to the proper pixel dimensions using the proper Widescreen PAL SD preset.

As far as the codec is concerned, I'd advise her to use DVCPro50 or ProRes, because Photo JPEG is not a realtime FCP codec.

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Hope Holmesby
Re: After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 8:59:49 pm

Dear Dave and David,

Thanks so much for your input....really appreciate.

These are the settings that our video department has given us. the Square pixels and the 1024 x 576....

Before switching over the the new AE and FCP, these settings did work.
hmmmm. Hope some solution is there.

You all are saying that because they are non standard, FCP is rejecting them?

This is actually one of the presets in photoshop for video, called:
PAL D1/DV Widescreen Square Pixel, or at least it was in CS3.

The rendered file then is compressed in Compressor at some special settings that make it into a mpeg 2 file, which then goes into a Octoshape Air Box .... or something with those names and is streamed thru a flash player on the internet, for an international web channel..

Hope there is some kind of a solution.....
What do you think?

Thanks so much for your input.....
Really appreciate,

Warmly, Hope

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Dave LaRonde
Re: After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 9:16:34 pm

If your video department gave you those specs, you have three options:
• Use them and continually render in FCP every time you make a change to a clip.
• Explain the facts of life in FCP to the video department: FCP is designed to work with standardized video resolutions and with a select number of video codecs for real-time, renderless editing, and get those specs changed.
• Ignore the specs, work as you always have, and simply export a 1024x576 Photo JPEG file from Compressor, and delight the next person in line to use your work.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Hope Holmesby
Re: After Effects to FCP - have to re-render in FCP
on Jan 24, 2012 at 9:25:25 pm

Ok, thanks again, so much....
let me read this and do it...and get back to you....

thanks so much...
Warmly, Hope

This is the one used....




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