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Sigvaldi Loftsson
DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 4, 2011 at 5:54:45 pm

Hi everyone! ;)

Here´s the thing:

A client has asked me to do a bit of editing on a DVD for his company.

What is the best way to get the DVD into FCP and back to DVD with little or no quality loss?

With thanks in advance! ;)

Best regards,
Sigvaldi Loftsson


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David Roth Weiss
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 4, 2011 at 6:38:51 pm

[Sigvaldi Loftsson] "What is the best way to get the DVD into FCP and back to DVD with little or no quality loss?"

Your video already suffered the quality loss when it was encoded to MPEG 2 for the DVD. So, ripping the DVD and re-editing the file is never going to be perfect no matter what you do. That being said, the proper way to do what you want is to use MPEG Streamclip (it's free) to "Export" the DVD to Quicktime, and choose the option for DVCPro. DVCPro is the leanest of all the codecs that works in 4:2:2 color space, which means it won't further erode any text and graphics on the video, which would happen if you chose to re-edit ordinary DV.

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Sigvaldi Loftsson
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 4, 2011 at 7:24:24 pm

Thank you so much David for your quick response. ;)

One question:

I see a bunch of DVCpro options in the compression drop down list.
The disc is NTSC and the only two options available that aren´t HD or PAL are:
Apple DV/DVCpro NTSC and Apple DVCpro50 NTSC.

Which one should I pick?

Thanks again!

Cheers!
Sigvaldi Loftsson


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David Roth Weiss
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 4, 2011 at 10:56:02 pm

[Sigvaldi Loftsson] "The disc is NTSC and the only two options available that aren´t HD or PAL are:
Apple DV/DVCpro NTSC and Apple DVCpro50 NTSC.

Which one should I pick?"


Since the DVD is SD not HD, that explains why there are no options for HD.

Choose DVCpro50. That's the one in 4:2:2 co,or space I mentioned earlier.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

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Sigvaldi Loftsson
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 5, 2011 at 2:59:16 pm

Thank you again David you´ve been a huge help! ;)

I noticed some quality drop after exporting to DVCpro50.

One thought I had.

Would it be possible and/or better If I De-mux the .VOB file in Streamclip and import the .m2v file to final cut pro for edititng?

Thanks,

Sigvaldi


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Dave LaRonde
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 5, 2011 at 5:22:45 pm

[Sigvaldi Loftsson] "Would it be possible and/or better If I De-mux the .VOB file in Streamclip and import the .m2v file to final cut pro for edititng?"

It wouldn't be better. The reason: the MPEG 2 codec is not a proper editing codec for FCP. It easily can give you problems during editing. You'll be much better off if you follow David's advice.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Sigvaldi Loftsson
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 5, 2011 at 5:47:06 pm

Thanks Dave! ;) Much appreciated.

I´m aware that the content on the DVD is interlaced and I can see that on my comp. screen.
But it looks worse (more noticable) after I convert it to DVCpro.

Which field order should I select? Upper or lower?
When I get the info for the DVD, it says Field dominance: None
But that´s not an option in MpegStreamclip. Only upper or lower.

Should I maybe just de-interlace the footage? If so should I do it in MpegStreamclip
or edit the footage interlaced and de-interlace using compressor?

Cheers! ;)

Sigvaldi


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Dave LaRonde
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 5, 2011 at 5:55:59 pm

All DVDs, whether PAL or NTSC, are lower field first. DVCPro 50 in NTSC countries is lower field first. Thus the field order should be lower field first.

DVCPro50 also has the additional virtue of being 720x480, the same horizontal & vertical resolution as DVDs.

It's really too bad the client can't acquire the original footage. The image quality would be much better.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Sigvaldi Loftsson
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 5, 2011 at 7:29:39 pm

Thanks Dave.
Yeah it´s a bummer that I can´t get the source footage. It´s the only thing he had and I just got to make do with that.

What do you think about De-interlacing the footage?


Thanks again Dave and David. This has been a good learning process. ;)

Best regards,
Sigvaldi Loftsson


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Dave LaRonde
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 5, 2011 at 7:38:43 pm

Deinterlace only if the majority of users will watch on computers. Furthermore, you should know that ALL DVD video is interlaced, even video produced at 30p or 24p. If the footage is progressive scan to start with, it isn't necessary. Deinterlacing tends to soften interlaced footage; you take a chance with degrading the image even more. Proceed with caution.

There is no law that says you can't burn a deinterlaced 2-minute segment to DVD as a test, then view the result on a variety of players.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Sigvaldi Loftsson
Re: DVD to FCP 7 to DVD?
on Dec 8, 2011 at 5:02:08 pm

You guys are lifesavers! ;)

Everything looks great now except for one little problem....

The thing is my client wants a small logo (watermark) in the top right corner of the video.
I got a .psd file with the logo, fixed it a little in photoshop and exported as .png.
I imported it into FCP and.....It looks bad.

Now my video settings are DVCpro50 NTSC with lower field dominance.
I know the graphics can only look so good on a DVD but how can I make them as good as possible?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Sigvaldi


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