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Sean Warman
challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 14, 2011 at 6:24:31 pm

What are the concerns/challenges when editing and exporting on a 59.94 sequence?
I am aware of longer renders and more storage space.
I found conflicting info regarding the feasibility to deliver in a 59.94 time base.

Any thoughts or comments appreciated.

Thank you

Sean
Shwamy Productions


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Shane Ross
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 14, 2011 at 6:32:57 pm

720p? Nothing, that's the standard frame rate for that format. 720p60...59.94.

1080p? Well, that's a non-standard format and really has no delivery method. Tape doesn't do 1080 59.94, the web doesn't do 1080p 59.94 and BluRay doesn't do 1080p 59.94.

Which do you have?

Shane

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Chris Tompkins
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 14, 2011 at 7:57:10 pm

There are no challenges. Drop the clips in your sequence and GO!

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta LLC


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Sean Warman
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 14, 2011 at 10:16:59 pm

"Which do you have?"
it is mixed footage, predominantly 720p60.
30% is 24p (camera man mistake and I have to deal).
I have created several test time lines to see what works better and determine a work flow.
I am not only mixing 60p and 24p at normal speed, I am also mixing clips converted with cinema tools, and slowmo created with twixtor (down to 10%).
To my surprise most everything looked good in the 60p time line and was by far the best option. The 2 that I expected to be problematic; were the 24p clips dropped directly into to the 60p fcp time line and the clips converted with cinema tools to a 23.976 frame rate to slow it down then put into a 60p time line.
So, before I move forward I wanted to assure that I could export and deliver on a 720p60 sequence setting (not knowing what I might encounter down the road).

Sorry for ignorance. I am still just a student of this video world.

Thanks for the input!

Sean
Shwamy Productions


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Shane Ross
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 14, 2011 at 10:36:18 pm

Well, interestingly enough, 23.98 in a 59.94 sequence in FCP looks pretty good...and works rather well. While 23.98 in a 29.97 sequence looks really bad.

59.94 has a lot going for it.

Interesting that 60fps slow motioned down to 10%, but still played back at 59.94 looks good.

Shane

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Sean Warman
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 14, 2011 at 11:11:30 pm

"Interesting that 60fps slow motioned down to 10%, but still played back at 59.94 looks good." Yes I was shocked at how good this looked, although this was with twixtor (it starts and stays at 60fps).

But no one has answered my original question,

So, before I move forward I wanted to assure that I could export and deliver on a 1280X720p 59.94fps sequence setting (not knowing what I might encounter down the road).

Thanks

Sean
Shwamy Productions


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Shane Ross
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 14, 2011 at 11:29:35 pm

[Sean Warman] "before I move forward I wanted to assure that I could export and deliver on a 1280X720p 59.94fps sequence setting "

Yes...you can. I thought we all said that. Deliver TO WHOM is the big question. And how? As what? Is it something they want?

Shane

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Bret Williams
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 15, 2011 at 4:39:07 am

60p works great. It's pretty much the answer to editing 24p and 60p in the same sequence. You can also mix in 480i and 1080i too. FCP will spread it all out across the 60 frames. Which, incidentally is what pulldown is doing. So you can take a 60p sequence with 24p in it and run it through AE or compressor to interlace it as 480i or 1080i and the 24p will have correct interlaced pulldown. Something FCP will not do if you throw 24p into a 29.97i sequence. Did they fix that in X?


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Sean Warman
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 15, 2011 at 4:17:55 pm

Thank you Bret!
great info.
Can you tell me why I have read negative comments (in several forums) regarding editing and delivering in 720 60p?

Thanks again

Sean
Shwamy Productions


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Bret Williams
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 20, 2011 at 3:01:39 am

I've never delivered in 60p. Most TV is broadcast in 1080i. For me, working in 720p60 has just been a necessity at times when handed mixed formats. Mostly because FCP doesn't know how to add 24p to a 29.97 timeline and apply pulldown. Since it can't do that, working in a 720p60 sequence is pretty much the best option. But it's a hassle. Every change requires a 720p60 export, then an interlacing pass to SD in AE, then a recompress in compressor. A bit of a pain. But actually, since compressor does such a horrible job of downscaling interlaced material, I run 1080i through AE too before compressing.


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Sean Warman
Re: challenges with a 59.94 fps sequence
on Sep 20, 2011 at 4:19:49 pm

Great info
Thank you

Sean
Shwamy Productions


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