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kat hayes
Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 12:35:32 am

I want to get a new 3 TB 7,200 rpm drive for my Macpro. I am looking at drives from http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Capacity_3TB&ci=6525&N=429454238.....

Does anyone have any opinions regarding quality of these different drive companies? Hitachi, Seagate, Western Digital? I would like to spend about $350 max. Thanks!



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Harry Bromley-Davenport
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 1:23:09 am

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004E9SGPY

Hitachi Deskstar 3TB 7200 SATA III.

$163.

Best

Harry.



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kat hayes
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:28:54 am

thanks. any particular reason for this one?



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Steve Eisen
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:29:00 am

Got mine for $130. 4TB are coming soon.

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group


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kat hayes
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:30:09 am

I'm noticing that BH has two that seem identical for different prices, anyone know what the difference is?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=0S03086&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Hitachi+Deskstar+3.5+inch+3TB+7200...



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Steve Eisen
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:37:25 am

They have the same picture up but the cheaper drive is a 5400 rpm coolspin drive. Click on the item for a description.

Still fast enough for most editing.

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group


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kat hayes
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:51:40 am

I did not catch that. When is 5,400 appropriate for editing? I was under the impression that 7,200 was needed or dropped frames become an issue.



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Harry Bromley-Davenport
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 4:25:10 am

With the greatest respect to Mr. Eisen (above), my own personal experience was that when I installed 7200 drives - replacing my 5400 drives, I ceased to suffer from endless crashes in FCP and my life was changed.

I used to endure many many crashes per day and now I crash maybe once or twice per day. A big deal for me.

Of course this may be due to my particular set up since I am on a 2008 8 Core 2x3Ghz Mac which is old and finicky.

Your situation is, no doubt, different.

But I have two of those drives and all is well after 2 months of use.

Best wishes,

Harry.



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David Roth Weiss
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 5:13:33 am

Mind if I wade in here with a piece of DRW wisdom?

As ya'll may have noticed, my company trademark is "Post-production without the usual insanity." I can assure you, cheaping-out to save a few bucks to buy 5400 RPM hard drives for use as media drives is truly the definition of insanity.

Among other variables, hard drive speed equals hard drive throughput, and higher throughput equals not only fewer dropped frames, but better realtime performance across the board.

So please Kat, do yourself a favor, don't even consider 5400 RPM drives.

And, Hitachi hard drives have proven to more reliable than Seagate and WD in recent years - they ship with gear from most of the best RAID manufacturers that advertise right here on this forum.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

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Harry Bromley-Davenport
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 5:26:50 am

Hey, David ... how ya doing?

I have one 3TB of each make - Hitachi and WD. Dueling drives. And 7200 seems the way to go.

Best,

Harry.



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kat hayes
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 6:22:56 am

What about going faster than 7,200 rpm? I thought I saw somewhere 10,000 rpm drives as an option?


Thanks everyone.



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David Roth Weiss
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:22:22 am

[kat hayes] "What about going faster than 7,200 rpm? I thought I saw somewhere 10,000 rpm drives as an option?"

No longer available I think, and way too expensive for the gain received if they are.

Striping multiple drives together in a RAID 0 configuration is what you would do for better performance.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

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Michael Gissing
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:27:53 am

10,000 rpm drives are recommended where fast seek time is important. This is more the case with multi channel audio systems where lots of small clips, spread over a drive are being pre loaded into a buffer. Video needs faster data flow but not fast seek times so 7,200 rpm RAID systems are best.


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Steve Eisen
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 11:54:55 am

SSD's will be the norm sooner than later.

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group


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kat hayes
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:11:14 pm

What is the RPM of a SSD? How much of a difference will editing from a SSD make?

Thanks.



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David Roth Weiss
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 4:34:10 pm

[kat hayes] "What is the RPM of a SSD? How much of a difference will editing from a SSD make?"

There are no RPMs, they are solid state, i.e. chip-based. They are too expensive presently, so don't sweat about them. When large sold state drives are cheap enough, all hard drives will be solid state, but that's a ways off.

The second generation of Thunderbolt will be 10X faster than the generation #1, so inexpensive mass storage with loads of throughput will just get better and better.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Producing Episodic TV with "24" Producer Michael Klick:
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POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


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Jason Jenkins
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 5:44:39 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "There are no RPMs, they are solid state, i.e. chip-based. They are too expensive presently, so don't sweat about them. When large sold state drives are cheap enough, all hard drives will be solid state, but that's a ways off."

Not too sure about SSDs at this point. I put one in my Mac Pro as a system drive and it was very snappy! Until it died. It lasted only 10 months. Yes, I had it backed up, and yes, OWC is replacing it under warranty... but it is actually the first drive that has ever died on me in over 10 years in this business. One would think that 'no moving parts = better longevity', but apparently not.

Jason Jenkins
Flowmotion Media
Video production... with style!


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David Eaks
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:09:40 pm

Do you have to get a 3TB drive? For under $350 you could get two 2TB drives...

I've been very happy with these-
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/752873-REG/Western_Digital_WD2002FAEX...

Same Drive at Newegg for $10 less-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136792&Tpk=WD2002F...

I've stuck with WD because my own experiences have been so good, but as was mentioned, Hitachi has a pretty stellar reputation these days.


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Steve Eisen
Re: Advice on buying a new 3TB drive
on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:25:54 pm

4TB Hitachi drives in G-Tech Thunderbolt G-Raid!!! So they'll be priced a little high.

Hard drives are so inexpensive these days. Stick with a brand name 7200 rpm drive and you'll be fine.

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group


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