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Ken Hyde
FCP Codec Question
on Jun 15, 2011 at 10:36:50 pm

Hi everybody...editing in FCP, I exported a file for a client using the "Export to Quicktime" option. On the settings, I used "Current Settings." The client now needs to know which Codec I used. How do I determine what my current settings were and thus the Codec? Sorry for the newbie question. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Shane Ross
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 15, 2011 at 10:55:56 pm

IN the project, go to the SEQUENCE menu and choose SETTINGS.

Shane

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Brendan Maghran
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 15, 2011 at 10:59:15 pm

Or, just open up the exported quicktime file and hit Command+i. It will tell you the codec in the little window that pops up.


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Michael Gissing
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 15, 2011 at 11:37:46 pm

Hate to be rude Ken but how can you be editing a sequence without already knowing what your codec is?

Basic workflow practice means you really must know what your source and sequences codecs are. All editing systems work best when the right match is made between camera codecs and sequence settings


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Chris Borjis
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 12:09:10 am

oddly enough I've seen a few fcp users, using mismatched codec to sequence settings.

they make edits then re-render the timeline every time they have to for smooth playback....they don't realize thats not the right way to do it.



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David Roth Weiss
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 12:13:46 am

[Michael Gissing] "Hate to be rude Ken but how can you be editing a sequence without already knowing what your codec is? "

There was a guy yesterday working on a feature film entirely edited at the wrong frame rate by a director who:

a) claimed to have used FCP since ver. 1

b) said he never did anything but, "just start editing."

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


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Michael Gissing
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 12:24:57 am

[David Roth Weiss] "b) said he never did anything but, "just start editing.""

Scary.


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Bret Williams
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 2:34:43 am

At least this guy admitted he's a newbie. But also admits he has clients. Scarier.


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matthew bradshaw
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 12:42:12 pm

How do you guys know he isn't a great editor who just happens not to be as into the geeky side of things as you? I have worked with many talented "preditors" who would really rather not spend their time nerding about with codecs when they can get somebody else cheaper (me) to sort it out for them.
Matt.



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Randy Davis
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 12:55:30 pm

I have to say that this forum is great when information is given freely and without attitude. We are all at different levels of expertise and really appreciate connecting with those whose knowledge exceeds ours and enjoy supporting those who are newer to the wacky biz of editing as well. Thanks everyone! -RD


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Rafael Amador
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 1:37:57 pm

[matthew bradshaw] "I have worked with many talented "preditors" who would really rather not spend their time nerding about with codecs when they can get somebody else cheaper (me) to sort it out for them."
Right, and that is what Ken should do if he is a pre-editor. That, or get some proper "No-Lineal-Pre-Edit" suit to avoid the mess.
You can be very bad for whatever task, but letting a mess behind you is not professional in any field.
And being radical: Please a bit of respect for our profession and our tools.
If you are an amateur, do it as you want. If you are working or a client, do it well or don't do it.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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matthew bradshaw
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 1:44:49 pm

Not "pre-editor", preditor.



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Walter Soyka
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 5:46:01 pm

[matthew bradshaw] "Not "pre-editor", preditor."

Rafa, it sounded like you were thinking of a "pre-editor" as an assistant -- a preditor is someone who both produces and edits.

Or an extraterrestrial warrior with advanced weaponry who kills for sport (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093773/).

Or some combination thereof.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Dave LaRonde
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 5:39:13 pm

[matthew bradshaw] "How do you guys know he isn't a great editor who just happens not to be as into the geeky side of things as you?"

We don't.

But on the other hand, this isn't the FCP BASICS forum. This one's intended for those who already know the basics. So if the people here refer to no knowledge of the basics as "scary", who are you to say that's wrong?

As you're probably aware, the Marketing Weasels for software developers are going to talk up the advantages and downplay the disadvantages of a piece of software. One of the disadvantages of sophisticated software like FCP is that a good grounding in its basics is essential to success. But sadly, software purchasers all to often see only what the Marketing Weasels say.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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matthew bradshaw
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 5:57:20 pm

It just seems a shame to me that soooo much time is spent by soooo many people struggling with codecs and codec settings/mis-matches etc. Recently I have been back on Avid for 6 months and so have been checking out the Avid board more often than this one. I may be wrong but it does seem striking to me how few posts there are on that board about codec hell, audio drifting out of sync due to mis-matched settings etc. There are far fewer posts full-stop despite there being many more Avids out there (is that correct?). FCP is great, but I know many people find it ability to deal with so many formats gets in the way of creativity rather than the other way round. I know this is a tech forum so I shouldn't have used the geek word or the nerd word for which I apologise.
Matt.



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Shane Ross
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 6:18:18 pm

[matthew bradshaw] "w few posts there are on that board about codec hell, audio drifting out of sync due to mis-matched settings etc. There are far fewer posts full-stop despite there being many more Avids out there (is that correct?). "

FCP sales VASTLY outnumber Avid Media Composer...a HUNDRED to 1. 1.5 million REGISTERED FCP users. Add to that all the downloaders using it illegally. Avid user base is not at 1 million...more like 100,00.

And the Avid user base is primarily high end professionals. Places that have assistant editors who handle the technical aspects so the editors can just edit. System administrators that do all the technical stuff. or editors who know the tech stuff themselves. That user base is highly professional, with people starting out as apprentice editors, or production assistants...learning on the job as they progress up the food chain. Learning production as they go.

FCP, being as cheap as it is, opened itself to a new market of people who have never worked in video. People leaping in head first and editing without basic knowledge of video at all. Other than "Hey, my camera shoots video, and I put it in this application and I can edit that video." They don't know what format their camera shoots. This, I will venture to say, is easily one-half to three-quarters of the FCP userbase...

Shane

GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it.
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matthew bradshaw
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 6:52:12 pm

Just going on personal experience of post production in London where Avid seems to be far more common than FCP. It is is also less than half the price, much less demanding on equipment (it runs on my 7 year old PC quite happily) and I am afraid to say far easier to get illegally. I don't agree about the assistant thing either. In my experience of broadcasting in the UK there is no such thing as an assistant editor. I haven't had an assistant since they were called tape-ops and that includes working in high-end facilities. In Avid I just choose my frame dimensions and frame rate then click 2:1 compression and off I go. There are less posts about codecs in Avid because it just isn't an issue.
Matt.



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Shane Ross
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 7:03:32 pm

Avid forces you to do things their way. Import video files? Capture them? OK...to what format? 15;1? 2:1? DNxHD 115? 145? Right there, at the start, you choose a format. An AVID format. It wanted things it's way, or it wouldn't work. FCP was open...you could, and can, import just about ANYTHING. But most of the things it allows you to import, FCP won't like working with. And because people don't know that you can't edit H.264, or PhotoJPEG, or Animation files...or Sorenson 3...in FCP without issues, they just start out doing it and go down the wrong path. They paint themselves into a corner. If you don't pay attention to what you are doing, you will mess up. I like FCP because it is so open. But this open-ness means that you need to know more about things. Like Linux. It is open source, and VERY customizable. But really for those who know what the heck they are doing. I don't...I'm not a computer geek. So I use MacOS.

Avid does everything for you...converts it to formats it wants to work with (although AMA is opening it to the same issues FCP has..people thinking they can work with H.264 native, and Red Native without any problems at all. wrong). It does this from the start so that all you need to worry about is editing...not what codec things are.

As for assistants...they are a dying breed. It used to be the way to learn things, but now, more than ever, the editors are doing everything. And because of that, they'd better darn well know the technical stuff! If not, SOMEONE there should. Editing isn't 100% creative. It's an equal share creative and technical. You need to know things like timecode, when to start the show, how to get proper show time, what drop frame and non-drop frame timecodes are. Basic video stuff. Editors who don't, who are primarily creatives, don't last too long if there isn't an assistant to cover their ass. They might cut well, but if they dont know the technical, then someone has to come in to clean the mess.

Shane

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Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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David Roth Weiss
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 6:24:04 pm

[matthew bradshaw] "It just seems a shame to me that soooo much time is spent by soooo many people struggling with codecs and codec settings/mis-matches etc. Recently I have been back on Avid for 6 months and so have been checking out the Avid board more often than this one. I may be wrong but it does seem striking to me how few posts there are on that board about codec hell, audio drifting out of sync due to mis-matched settings etc."

Sure, the version of Avid you're using is a complete modern rewrite. The version of FCP you're using is ancient technology.

I assure you, FCP X will do this entire codec thing better than anything on the market and better than anything before it. Apple has dissected every other NLE there is and "borrowed" all of the best form every other NLE on the market.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.


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matthew bradshaw
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 6:55:58 pm

I was using Media Composer 3.5 today. No codec issues.
Matt.



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Shane Ross
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 7:06:52 pm

[matthew bradshaw] "I was using Media Composer 3.5 today. No codec issues. "

Because Avid forces you to use their codecs. DNxHD...or the standard def 2:1 or 15:1. Before you start, you convert/capture the footage to an Avid codec. There...done. FCP doesn't...FCP allows you to bring in almost anything, and that is the problem. Oh, but I said this in another post.

Shane

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matthew bradshaw
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 10:25:06 pm

What a brilliant idea! So no codec problems then. Oh hold on a minute, that would mean there would be 80% less posts in this forum.
Matt.



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Alexander Kallas
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 1:15:06 pm

[Michael Gissing] "Hate to be rude Ken but how can you be editing a sequence without already knowing what your codec is?

Basic workflow practice means you really must know what your source and sequences codecs are. All editing systems work best when the right match is made between camera codecs and sequence settings"


........but FCP will ask to automatically set the matching codecs for the imported media without revealing them, and this is probably what Ken did.
As Shane pointed out Ken just failed to look back at what FCP had set.

Cheers
Alexander


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Chris Borjis
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 16, 2011 at 4:35:52 pm

[Alexander Kallas] "FCP will ask to automatically set the matching codecs for the imported media without revealing them,"

I've seen that cause a lot of problems when for example, your first clip is a title clip rendered as a quicktime animation from after effects.

I can't remember how many times my former motion graphics guy did this and was wondering why the real time playback wouldn't work and everything needed rendering.



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Alexander Kallas
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 17, 2011 at 1:48:47 am

[Chris Borjis] "[Alexander Kallas] "FCP will ask to automatically set the matching codecs for the imported media without revealing them,"

I've seen that cause a lot of problems when for example, your first clip is a title clip rendered as a quicktime animation from after effects.
I can't remember how many times my former motion graphics guy did this and was wondering why the real time playback wouldn't work and everything needed rendering.
"


In defense of Ken, he was not complaining about render problems, just the codec used. Shane answered this. Also the receiver of the exported QT file could just "get info" on this to find the codec. This now cannot be multi-codec, which is to where this thread has drifted.
Your above post treats the new user as technically ignorant. Even these guys check the format of their assets before assembly. The rest learn quickly when they hit the ensuing problems....

Cheers
Alexander


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Chris Borjis
Re: FCP Codec Question
on Jun 17, 2011 at 4:23:53 pm

[Alexander Kallas] "Your above post treats the new user as technically ignorant."

not at all.

Simply stating it's a common thing that happens among daily users of fcp.



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