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walter biscardi
Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 7:34:48 pm

I'm not one for rumors, but on the heels of "on good authority" that Apple will make an appearance at the FCPUG Supermeet next week in Vegas, now information is flying that Apple may take over the entire event. Bumping every other sponsor and presenter from the event.

AJA and BlackMagic only offer "no comment" on their pending sponsorship / presentations.

Looks like "something" is definitely in the works for next Tuesday. Hope you have your tickets already......

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Shane Ross
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 7:41:33 pm

Man, my part of the twitterverse is quiet on this front. But the Avid-L is smokin'. Too many different accounts of what is happening to lock anything down. But I do know that Kevin Smith's Avid demo won't be happening there...they are looking to do that elsewhere now. Got that straight from Avid's lips...er...keyboard, on the Avid-L.

Shame, that's one of the big draws for me. Kevin Smith talks are always great.

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 7:46:10 pm

I was really looking forward to Kevin Smith and Alexis' demos actually.

The thing I found intriguing was when BlackMagic said something was happening with their sponsorship. So now we have confirmation that Avid is having to move their presentation. More fuel to the fire.

Let me know if they get a reschedule for Kevin, I definitely would like to see that.

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Victor Perez
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on Apr 5, 2011 at 8:49:02 pm

According to Avid, Kevin Smith will be at their booth at NAB SU902. Yes a definite must see.

http://apps.avid.com/nab2011/?intcmp=AV-HP-S4

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David Roth Weiss
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 8:52:47 pm

[Victor Perez] "Kevin Smith will be at their booth at NAB SU902. Yes a definite must see.
"


Just hope he's not sitting next to you on the plane...


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Sohrab Sandhu
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 9:14:09 pm

lol...I remember that story where he got kicked out of the plane for being too fat!

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 12:21:05 am

Actually, truth be told, Kevin Smith has lost 65 pounds since that Southwest Airlines incident. It actually inspired him to drop the pounds.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-02-09/gossip/28550763_1_southwest-airl...

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Steve Connor
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 8:32:54 pm

Walter starting a rumour thread means there must be something going on! Fingers crossed

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 8:35:50 pm

Did you say Final Cut Awesome? or iMovie Pro? :-D


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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 8:52:47 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] " Did you say Final Cut Awesome? or iMovie Pro? :-D"

I was chatting with someone that if this is all true that Apple truly does buy out the event (c'mon, we all knew they were going to show up and present FCP) then they basically have to present the best editing system we've ever seen. Or it'll never live up to the expectation. You don't just buy out every other presenter unless you believe you have a product that simply surpasses everyone else AND you have the wherewithall and finances to back it up.

So it's either a home run or a fail. IF they truly do buy out the entire event, that's the only way this thing is going to go down. If they simply were the last presentation of the evening, then there's a lot less pressure. Either way, I'm super glad I'm not the person or company making this decision, nor do I have to give the presentation. Does make me wonder if the great and powerful Wizard Jobs will show up......

Someone said they're going to have to have an "Oprah" moment. I personally would love to see Kathy Griffin show up and do her Oprah introduction of Steve Jobs. Now THAT would be jaw dropping! :)

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 8:54:09 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] " Did you say Final Cut Awesome? or iMovie Pro? :-D"

Unfortunately my guess is somewhere in the middle...... But next week by this time we'll all be lining up outside Bally's to find out.

Someone just suggested I'd be able to sell my tickets to the event once they sell out. Could you imagine scalping tickets to a Final Cut Pro event? How nerdy would THAT be? :)

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Mark Suszko
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 9:13:37 pm

Oprah moment? You mean like...

....."look under your chairs... YOU get a copy of the new FCP, and YOU get one and YOU get one....everybody gets a copy!!!!!!!"
?
Somebody, bring me a spare?:-)


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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 9:45:14 pm

[Mark Suszko] "Oprah moment? You mean like...

....."look under your chairs... YOU get a copy of the new FCP, and YOU get one and YOU get one....everybody gets a copy!!!!!!!"
?
Somebody, bring me a spare?:-)"


Brilliant!!!!

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 9:10:21 pm

Update on the ProVideo Coalition site now says Canon has confirmed cancellation of their presentation at the SuperMeet because of Apple wanting the full event.

Also heard that the event is potentially moving out of Bally's and over to the Aria. Anyone else hear that?

I am kind of bummed if this entire Apple takeover is true though. I thought they had the best SuperMeet presentation lineup they've ever had planned out.

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Don Walker
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 10:16:45 pm

For those of us "also rans" that can't make it to Vegas this year...... Is there any chance the event will be streamed?

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Don Walker
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 10:20:50 pm

Never mind went to the Website.... It will be...... What was I thinking?

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 5, 2011 at 11:28:19 pm

Not sure if it's still going to be streamed. Remember, if everything we are hearing is true, and it's looking more likely by the minute, the entire website is wrong now.

If Apple takes over, no clue if they will allow it to stream or simply post it the next day or maybe not at all.

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 12:44:17 am

SuperMeet website update. All presenters removed. Just says a "special presentation" will be made.

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Craig Seeman
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 12:59:28 am

But it'll only be a "sneak peek."
Is there something sneaky about the peeking?
Seems more like full frontal exposure than a sneak peek. I guess that's why I'm not in marketing.



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Shane Ross
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:02:07 am

A sneak peak that'll take the WHOLE NIGHT?

Dunno...this ethically sucks.

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:15:26 am

Per Dan Berube via one of the vendors, there are no changes to the vendor tables at the SuperMeet. Also the Raffle is still on the website. The venue is still the same.

But I agree, the new "special presentation" is now all of us paying for an Apple Marketing event. The original lineup was much better. apple should have just closed out the event with the sneak peek.

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Jeff Bernstein
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:05:04 am

I'd like to put $100 on iMovie Pro.


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Marcus Samuel-Gaskin
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:28:50 am

Apple stars in the the sequel to "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People". Showing for one night only , only in Vegas!


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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:44:24 am

Avid has a great response to getting booted from the Supermeet. They plan to give Kevin Smith a venue if we will come. I say get a stage for ALL the original presenters.

http://community.avid.com/blogs/avid/archive/2011/04/05/give-kevin-smith-a-...

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Craig Seeman
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 2:04:49 am

If you read the ProVideoCoalition site and read between the lines . . . .

It may well be that AJA and Blackmagic are giving “no comment” because they’re not really gone from the stage.

They may be invited on stage to show how certain products will integrate with the new FCS that they couldn’t obviously do otherwise. Maybe introducing specific FCS4 Thunderbolt integration for example.

Note for example Bloom’s comment about “guest of Apple” speculation. For all we know they’ll be showing a method of import and direct codec support from Canon DSLRs.

It may be that only or primarily Avid was given the boot and others may take on different rolls under the control of Apple (as they'll determine the extent of their FCS4 compatibility presentations).



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David Roth Weiss
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 2:14:38 am

[Craig Seeman] "AJA and Blackmagic are giving “no comment” because they’re not really gone from the stage.

They may be invited on stage to show how certain products will integrate with the new FCS"


That's how it works normally, so I'd say you're probably pretty close Craig.

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 2:32:34 am

Canon did say they are not giving a presentation now, so we will have to wait to see if they come back.

I am hearing that the live video stream is very unlikely now.

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Jason Brown
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 2:48:49 am

great thread and discussion guys! :)

I'm holding firmly onto my ticket...excited about the evening!

And when Walter starts spreading "talk" I know it's rooted in fact...you guys are all such great industry leaders (shane, david, walter, etc). Hope to get a chance to meet u guys out there.

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Neil Sadwelkar
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 5:21:27 am

And, the Apple Store is down...



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Craig Seeman
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 5:39:01 am

But somehow the timing isn't right for FCS upgrade pre-orders since the "sneak peek" isn't until next week.

Maybe it's something else like an iPad 2 price increase due to parts increases or an iMac update that the rumor sites never heard about.



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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:56:41 pm

[Jason Brown] "And when Walter starts spreading "talk" I know it's rooted in fact...you guys are all such great industry leaders (shane, david, walter, etc). Hope to get a chance to meet u guys out there."

I avoid rumors at all cost because there's just no sense in getting involved with them since it's a fruitless excersize. This came to me from so many sources it was obvious it was not a rumor from the get-go. The only question was how quickly the announcement would be made official.

Of course I do think it's silly that they still list a "special guest" on the website with a "special presentation." But as long as the raffle is still a go (which shocks me quite honestly with all the sponsors getting booted) it's all good by me.

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Rob Chinn
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 3:20:20 am

Don,

Unfortunately the live stream has been cancelled, per Michael Horton.



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John Heagy
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 3:27:31 am

After reading this thread I jumped to reserve my tickets. There were 40 left and the number was dropping by the minute. 10 mins ago they were SOLD OUT. Now there are 5 available... weird. Seems somehow seats are being added a few at a time.

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Don Walker
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 12:47:01 pm

Okay so like, who here on this thread would be willing to do a 2 hour plus "Facetime" call with me so I can watch what's going on? Anybody? Hello? Is this thing on???

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 12:58:37 pm

[Don Walker] "Okay so like, who here on this thread would be willing to do a 2 hour plus "Facetime" call with me so I can watch what's going on? Anybody? Hello? Is this thing on???
"


I can't make it this year either, but there's no doubt you will get all the press you can handle and more about the "special presentation".


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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:50:35 pm

They did say something on the site about trying to add more seats or get a larger room....

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Shane Ross
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 3:43:04 am

I'll be there. Ticket in hand.

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 1:50:42 pm

[Shane Ross] "I'll be there. Ticket in hand."

If we both shoot with our iPhones, can we upload the show in 3D?

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Jeremy Garchow
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 2:28:11 pm

[walter biscardi] "If we both shoot with our iPhones, can we upload the show in 3D?
"


Absolutely. You will then be able to edit it in the cloud with iMovie Pro for a truly live demo experience.

You can gang all the iDevices in the room together (have to buy the app first) for a shared storage network and get blazing fast SDD storage via wifi/Bluetooth and share the bandwidth load across the room.

Sorry for my cynicism.


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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 3:49:09 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "Absolutely. You will then be able to edit it in the cloud with iMovie Pro for a truly live demo experience."

why wait for iMovie Pro when we can just do it on our iPads in the room?

Studio Daily just did a great blog on the heavy handed tactics from Apple on this one. Truly feel bad for Mike, Dan and the entire group that puts on these amazing events. Apple really put them in a bad position.

http://www.studiodaily.com/blog/?p=6064

Now we wait to see what kind of history will be written next Tuesday. Apple presents the best NLE we've ever seen with the most flawless and entertaining demonstration ever.

Or Apple goes down with one of the most epic fails in the history of NAB.

Avid is certainly riding the PR gravy train right now and I'm sure this entire episode will make the Kevin Smith presentation all the more entertaining. I don't think he'll be shy about bringing Apple into the discussion.....

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Shane Ross
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 4:28:29 pm

[walter biscardi] "If we both shoot with our iPhones, can we upload the show in 3D?"

If the audience ALL shoots with the iphone, we can make this an event that people can emerse themselves into.

There's a LOT of pressure on Apple now. If they pull this coup, and fail to WOW and deliver a quality upgrade... it'll cost them.

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 5:41:39 pm

[Shane Ross] "There's a LOT of pressure on Apple now. If they pull this coup, and fail to WOW and deliver a quality upgrade... it'll cost them."

This is literally "all in" for Apple. They have created a ton of bad publicity (which Avid is using very nicely) by muscling in on an event for which people paid money to see a really great lineup of presenters.

Now they want the party all to themselves. Either it's a flawless introduction of the best product we've ever seen or this will really blow up in their faces.

In the past I've said that the next FCP release will be the "put up or shut up" release from Apple. I guess they took that literally. Either way, looks like you and I have a ringside seat to "history." :)

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Victor Perez
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 6:14:35 pm

Although I welcome any news about a new Final Cut Studio, I can't help but wonder.
What is that speaker we are all focused on talking about, and who exactly is that throwing the Sledge Hammer at the screen in 1984? Hey! Is that me in the third row of the Supermeet?







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John Heagy
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 6:22:03 pm

This is not all Apple's doing, as it takes two to tango. The organizers of the Super Meet decided to take Apple's money and shaft the others... no?

I would imagine Apple had conditions and gave little wiggle room, but the decision was made and the conditions accepted.


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Craig Seeman
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 6:27:00 pm

There may be contractual conditions to being an officially "sanctioned" Apple meeting/User Group. It might have been that SuperMeet formed with such an agreement. I'm only guessing but I've heard general grumblings from some user groups.



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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 7:08:15 pm

[Craig Seeman] "There may be contractual conditions to being an officially "sanctioned" Apple meeting/User Group. It might have been that SuperMeet formed with such an agreement."

All is fair in love and war. If that's the terms, then that's the terms (although I'd be skeptical is that is truly the arrangement). It would be a bit of a coup if Avid was "allowed" to present at all at such a "sanctioned" event. Like it or not, we work in show business and schedules change. Quickly.

I agree with Mr. Heagy. It does take two to tango so I wouldn't feel too bad for the organizers.


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Sohrab Sandhu
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 7:38:09 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "I agree with Mr. Heagy. It does take two to tango so I wouldn't feel too bad for the organizers."

Thats precisely the point. I don't know why organizers have become the 'Holy Cows'!

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Craig Seeman
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 7:55:02 pm

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/resources/communities.html

To be an "official" Final Cut Pro Users Group there may be legal and contractual obligations. Given the above page if the SuperMeet is an event which contractual gives Apple certain powers, the organizers may not have had a choice short of breaking an agreement they had with Apple.



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Michael Kammes
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:05:55 pm

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Supermeet and a User Group: 2 different things...? It was my understanding the user group (lets say, LAFCPUG or CHIFCPUG or BOSFCPUG) had to adhere to community guidelines, but that Apple had pulled sponsorship of the Supermeet, hence the name being changed several years ago.

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Craig Seeman
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:32:18 pm

[Michael Kammes] "Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Supermeet and a User Group: 2 different things...?"

Likely wrong. Did you read the page link I posted. The very top.
FCPUGnet – Final Cut Pro User Group Network
Global
Daniel Berube
Michael Horton

Claudia Crask

and from the SuperMeet site
The Final Cut Pro User Group Network is excited to have a very special guest presentation at the 10th Annual Las Vegas FCPUG SuperMeet.

This is part of the FCPUGnet with Baerube and Horton organizing. The right to use "FCPUG" comes with with strings . . . actually strong ropes attached. Using FCPUG gives Apple certain rights and they decided to exercise those rights.



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Jeremy Garchow
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:33:43 pm

[Craig Seeman] "actually strong ropes attached. Using FCPUG gives Apple certain rights and they decided to exercise those rights."

Then none of this should be shocking to anyone.


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Craig Seeman
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:44:42 pm

Speculative on my part but I think the reason why there was no specific presenters attached to the 2nd half of the show as that was Apple's original place.

I think the surprise was the decision to take over the entire presentation. Now really speculative on my part but seeing an Avid sponsored speaker (and a well liked and anticipated one) might have motivated them to pull this. I still can't help but think that some of the "no comments" around certain product presenters may mean that they're not completely gone. Others are likely gone completely. It's that Apple is going to define their roles in showing off product compatibility.



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Tom Wolsky
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 9:02:51 pm

Not shocking. From Apple it\'s almost expected. Does it suck? Does it show disgusting arrogance? Is it in the worst possible behavior? Sure. That\'s what they do. That\'s Apple.

Let\'s hope the response to what they show is this is great, not OMG what have they done. Be prepared for the latter.

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Michael Kammes
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on Apr 6, 2011 at 7:32:11 pm

I guess I see it as few people on Twitter have: Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not bumping the scheduled presenters would cause a huge backlash. DESPITE Apple pulling sanctioned / support for the Supermeet. DESPITE their withdrawal necessitating expanding the scope of the event for the past several years. That was...well, shitty. DESPITE this, and being a fanboy or not, FCP users would be up in arms for passing on the first whiff of the new product.

And of course, the reverse is true: Having Apple show the new FCP at the Supermeet *should* be one of the biggest things for the post industry in recent history - trumping the importance of those already scheduled (with all due respect to those presenting, I had my tickets prior to the announcement to hear Kevin and Phillip, etc.) This would, as we've seen, conceivably cast a bad PR spin on Apple for muscling in, and a potential tarnish on the Supermeet crew.

IM_VERY_HO, for shame on Apple for putting Supermeet in this predicament. Apple doesn't need the Supermeet crowd to have an event, period. It isn't needed to have this at NAB to show up the rest of the industry. It's dirty pool. They've backed out from *virtually* every industry event, including Supermeet and NAB. No takebacks, Apple. You should not be able to have it both ways.

Michael and Dan have their plates full, and let's hope that the backlash from this is the lesser of the 2 evils.

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:09:16 pm

Absolutely right. This wasn't a sudden decision one week before the event, oh let's go to the Supermeet to show off our new software. Apple doesn't work that way. This has been plotted for some time, and script was let's bombshell Michael, Daniel, Claudia, and the others as close to the date as we think we can get away with.

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Jason Brown
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:12:18 pm

Or maybe the plan was to wait till the last minute and create so much buzz as to create the longest creative cow thread!! :)


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:55:00 pm

Hardly. This isn't close. If it lasts till June you might approach long thread numbers.

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Tom

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 10:10:09 pm

[Tom Wolsky] "This wasn't a sudden decision one week before the event, oh let's go to the Supermeet to show off our new software. Apple doesn't work that way."

Actually, from what I've gotten from multiple sources, this is exactly how it all came about. Very sudden decision from very high up in the company.

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 10:32:37 pm

From anyone else I would find that very hard to belief, but I'm sure your information is good, but I'm sorry, that's really sad that a week before NAB someone thought it might be a good idea to do a prezzo. A little forethought and they could have had their own demo as they've done in the past.

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walter biscardi
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 7, 2011 at 1:47:01 am

[Tom Wolsky] "A little forethought and they could have had their own demo as they've done in the past."

Precisely. Sunday morning / afternoon event like they've done in the past. Left the SuperMeet alone.

Or just simply take over the end or the last 1/3 of the SuperMeet. Avid is certainly having a lot of fun with this and I absolutely cannot wait to see what Kevin Smith has to say about Apple now in his presentation... :)

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 6, 2011 at 8:03:06 pm

Apple? Are we talking about the same company? Apple doesn't give wiggle room. Never. Marketing rules and is absolutely rigid. Their lawyers, clout, and money, not allow for options. It's their way or the highway.

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Neil Hurwitz
Re: Twitterverse is VERY active right now
on Apr 7, 2011 at 5:25:47 am

Now a really cool thing would be if Apple
shows a souped-up Ipod capable of storing a one hour show
at SR quality, and being able to be both be a recorder/player with
a built in viewer. It could be just as cheap as the ebay price
on a SR 64 minute tape. Just speculating like the rest
but why can't it be done? Lets get some real outside the box
thinking going. Thunderbolt on Macpro would be nice also

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