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mike albertini
Internal & external hard-drive solutions
on Feb 27, 2011 at 11:37:53 am

Hi,

I realise this kind of question has been asked a lot but i'd really appreciate an answer, specific to my budget and needs please...
I own a Mac Pro (4-core) 1st Gen - 2006-2007 with 7GB of ram and a Radeon 3870 graphics card. I'm currently training to be an editor and use final cut studio 3...I've recently edited a short film and for the first time did a sound mix in soundtrack pro and found it to be sluggish...this project also involved using some hd footage in FCP which also slowed it down...aside from converting footage into prores for editing(which i believe should improve performance for hd in fcp) and upgrading to snow leopard, (which I'm going to do next week, and should improve stp performance apparently), I'm also now going to buy 4gb of ram(I'd ideally like 8 but have budget constraints) and new internal/external hard-drives. I'm also going to be getting adobe CS5 and look to be using photoshop and after effects fairly regularly...Future projects include an hour long doc destined for tv broadcast and some music video work which will include short videos shot on the red camera...
I have a budget of around $550 (£340) for the extra storage and am looking for some expert advice before i take the plunge please. At the moment I'm thinking of getting 2tb of internal hard-drive space and 1tb of external hard-drive space...

For the internal drives i'm thinking of either:

Two of these:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-hitachi-deskstar-0f10383-7k2000c-sata-3g...

or one of these:
http://www.advancetec.co.uk/acatalog/2TB_Hitachi_Saturn_0F1031_hard_drive.h...

For the external hard-drive i'm thinking of either:

one of these:
http://www.salonprosales.com/gtech-graid-1tb-gen4-fw800esatausb20-p-1548.ht...

or one of these:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734330-REG/CalDigit_791933_1TB_AV_Dri...

For the g-raid i would also like to buy an e-sata card and have read that some wont work too well with my slightly older mac pro, but have read this one is good, if a little pricey for me...

http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-2me4-e/

and with the caldigit i'm looking for a good deal on both the hard-drive and the usb3 card...is the caldigit worth buying without the usb 3 card?...
One last question is about using external/internal hard-drives when editing...what is the best way of using them for both storage and while working on a project?

Thanks for the help

Mike


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Tony Silanskas
Re: Internal & external hard-drive solutions
on Feb 28, 2011 at 2:43:32 pm

First off, glad you're taking the next step and learning some new software and gear.

For internal drives, I usually get the WD Caviar Black drives as they have been good for me over the years.

For external, I usually get OWC drives, specifically the Mercury Elite-AL Pro Dual RAIDs. You can get ones with eSata and have pretty decent mobile throughput if you have an esata card, of course. I've had many issues daisy chaining graids before so gave up on them. The CalDigit drive is probably good as I've used their drives before, just not that one as I haven't jumped in on USB 3.0 yet.

Also, make sure you keep your RAM in pairs, preferably the same size, too (ex. 2x 2GB sticks). This keeps the throughput as fast as it can go.

As far as your computer goes, once you start using RED footage you're going to want a faster Mac as it's very CPU intensive. But, you can edit it, just will be slower on your machine than a newer one. If you are just going to TV than you could downconvert it to 1080p ProRes which will make it a bit easier to edit with.

tony


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mike albertini
Re: Internal & external hard-drive solutions
on Feb 28, 2011 at 11:55:41 pm

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the reply...really appreciate your input...just wondering, is there a particular e-sata card you could recommend?

Thanks,

Mike


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Tony Silanskas
Re: Internal & external hard-drive solutions
on Mar 1, 2011 at 12:15:53 am

The firmtek and sonnet cards are good options. I would search on here about the newer 6Gb/s esata cards as they much faster with newer 6Gb/s enclosures and would help you futureproof a bit. I haven't used one yet so I can't recommend one.

tony


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mike albertini
Re: Internal & external hard-drive solutions
on Mar 2, 2011 at 10:08:35 pm

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the advice...I had a look at everything again and have decided that the caldigit is too expensive as an external hard-drive at the moment and the g-raid has a few negative comments and is quite expensive too...having looked at what you recommended...the owc mercury elite external hard-drive...and having read good things about it..(and its slightly cheaper)...i might go with it...and looked into the sata 600 cards and found this one by firmtek which looks like it will do the job without spending too much...
http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/satae6g.html
What do you think?...

And with regards to the internal hard-drives, take your point on the e-sata 600 again and have found some wd caviar black internal hard-drives which are capable of 6gb/s...think i'll get two of these...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-WD1002FAEX-Caviar-Internal/dp/B0036...

My question is, will they work at the full 6gb/s off the bat or will i have to use something like these wires?...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/SATA-POWER-ADAPTER-CABLE-DATA/dp/B000ITL1PG/ref=pd_...

Ive read about these wires too which use the e-sata ports behind the fan inside the mac pro but the arent compatible with my mac...
http://www.newertech.com/products/esata_cable.php

Do you know what i need to do to make these internal hard-drives work at 6gb/s?...Anyway, as you can gather i'm still learning and just trying to have as good a system as possible on a budget, so yep am just looking for confirmation that i can make the internal hard-drive with e-sata 600 work at 6 gb/s...and how i do this...i now of course just need to up-date them to thunderbolt next week, get a 12-core mac with avid as an alternative editing system, scratch to grade my red footage, nuke and a besotted angelina jolie on e to suck my cock every day while i work....

Cheers,

Mike


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Tom Sanders
Re: Internal & external hard-drive solutions
on Apr 4, 2011 at 4:12:14 pm

Sorry to bump this old thread, but...

Mike,

What did you wind up buying, and how did it work for you? I have the same Mac Pro and need to upgrade it to work on a large format project involving 1920x1080 sources and a sequence output at 3840x1080. So I need firepower, on a budget.

Thanks,
Tom


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mike albertini
Re: Internal & external hard-drive solutions
on Apr 22, 2011 at 6:35:46 pm

Hi Tom,

Only just seen this...probably too late but thought i'd reply just in case...in the end i went for two 1TB caviar black internal hard-drives and for an external hard-drive went for the OWC Mercury Elite Pro...I've found the Caviar Blacks pretty quick and am happy with them...only thing is i would perhaps buy one 2tb internal hard-drive instead of two 1tb ones considering the limit on storage inside the mac pro...the reason why i didnt buy that was because i read a post which suggested the 2tb ones were less reliable and it was a lot of stuff to lose if the worst happened...in terms of the OWC, I'm happy with it, although would rather it automatically switched itself on and off when my system goes to sleep and wakes up...rather than me having to manually turn it on and off all the time...pain in the arse...i might get used to it though...other than that happy with that too...

Mike


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