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Ofer Geva
final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 5:10:23 pm

Every Video editor/ graphic designer I know use Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects and most uses Flash. However, it is widely konwn that FCP is the better non-linear editing program, yet it isn't sold seperately from Final Cut Studio. So everybody just buy both bundles?


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Bret Williams
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 5:50:18 pm

I know very few that use Flash, and not many that delve into Illustrator. True a few use After Edfects, but most use Motion for quick type or effects work. Most all use Photoshop.

I fall into your group though. I am ok with Illustrator, good with AE, use Photoshop all the time and edit with FCP. After years of upgrading my Adobe apps the cheapest way I recently ended up with 2 bundles I needed to upgrade - web standard cs3 and production premium cs4. It was cheaper to upgrade to master collection cs5 than upgrade both, so that's what I did.

I've been toying with PPRO CS5 and my opinion is as an editing tool, it still isn't ready for prime time. It's just horribly clunky, and the day to day functions don't seem to have quick efficient hot keys. But it's powerful, I'll give it that. It's kinda like Motion Vs AE. Motion is powerful with a lot of bells and whistles, but AE is still the better tool for me at least.


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Alan Okey
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 6:11:03 pm

Your unspoken implication is that if FCP were sold separately, it would be cheaper than the full Studio suite. I don't see that happening. At this point, none of the other applications in the Studio suite could command much of a selling price, nor are they particularly useful without FCP.

Although Color was once a $25,000 application, its development has been slowed considerably at this point and it would not fare well against other standalone color grading applications (DaVinci, etc.) if it were to be sold at a similar price.

Motion does not directly compete with After Effects. It's faster at some tasks due to its GPU utilization, but its feature set is much more limited. It's primarily intended as a supporting application for FCP.

Soundtrack Pro is not a Pro Tools competitor, and Apple itself sells Logic Studio for more serious audio work.

DVD Studio Pro is still a great DVD spec authoring application for the money, but it doesn't do Blu-ray authoring (and most likely never will), and it hasn't been significantly updated in years.

Compressor is a great Swiss Army knife for compression and conversion tasks, but compared to free tools like MPEG Streamclip and more robust tools like Telestream Episode, I doubt it could survive as a standalone application on its own merits.

Also consider that FCP's closest competitor, Avid Media Composer, retails for more than double the price of Final Cut Studio. Many people believe that Final Cut Studio is already underpriced, as its true strategic purpose is to help Apple sell more Macs, not necessarily provide the most comprehensive set of tools for professional video editing and finishing. That goal would arguably belong to Autodesk Smoke, which is priced at $15,000 for the software alone.

Many other professional postproduction applications sell for prices far above FCP, such as Nuke, Mocha Pro, or any comprehensive 3D software package. Final Cut Studio is already a bargain, even if Apple were to charge $1000 for Final Cut Pro alone.

Think of Final Cut Studio as Final Cut Pro selling for $999 with several free programs thrown in, not a suite of equally priced applications.


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Bret Williams
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 7:31:02 pm

It did sell for $999 when it was version 1. In fact, some of the other apps were sold separately at first. DVD studio pro was, and I think motion was. I think that was during FCP v. 4.x days. Those apps were launched as additional apps, and were bundled with FCP for the total price of $1299 I recall. That would've been v5, or maybe they made that offer with v. 4.x stuff. By version 5 or 6 it was all or none for $999. Or something like that. :)

Bret Williams
Web Design . Motion Graphics . Video Editing
http://www.bretwilliams.com


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 6:39:57 pm

[Ofer Geva] "So everybody just buy both bundles?"

Yep.


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Scott Sheriff
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 7:01:14 pm

Ofer,
"So everybody just buy both bundles?"

Or not.
Depending on what kind of work you do, it isn't all that hard to get along with just FCS.

Scott Sheriff
Director
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
You should be suitably impressed...


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 7:57:56 pm

[Scott Sheriff] "Depending on what kind of work you do, it isn't all that hard to get along with just FCS."

Definitely depends, but doing without illustrator would be tough for us.

AE as well.


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Shane Ross
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 10:08:20 pm

I have FCs, Avid MC, Photoshop and After Effects. Those are my main tools. So yes, I buy both, and then some. In my neck of the woods, no one uses Premiere. Avid or FCP....period. Not saying that Premeire isn't a good tool, it just isn't in play in the Hollywood system.

Shane

GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it.
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Ofer Geva
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 10:59:09 pm

Thank you all for your interesting replies.
I work in animation and post production on a PC machine so FCP wasn't an option (although I dream of it many times...).
The majority of my work is done in AE so I have production pro CS4 and can't live without Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash for some animation and web tasks; So I assumed the financially logic thing to do is to use PPro. But apparently money has no place when one seeks perfection.


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Alan Okey
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 11:11:44 pm

[Ofer Geva] "But apparently money has no place when one seeks perfection."

I seriously doubt that even the most ardent FCP fan would describe it as perfect!

;)

If editing and editing project collaboration/exchange are not central to your business, Premiere Pro should be perfectly adequate for your needs. Despite FCP and Avid's dominance of the editing market, Premiere Pro does have some very capable tools, as does Sony Vegas.


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Alf Hanna
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 11:44:06 pm

I agree with what Alan is saying across the board. In your neck of the woods you may have to play well with others, and if those others are using the tools you mention, then use them. I use Vegas a lot, it's really fast for small jobs, but a lot of folks up here use FCP, so I have that too, and can work with them easily. There's a lot right with the Mac OS for ease of use. Find the right tool for you and your workgroup, pay the price, and go earn the money to pay for it. All in all, a few days editing pays for most of our tools. That's pretty sweet.

My personal opinion is that there is a lot difference between a person in Hollywood who is a head's down 8 hour (or more) editor with a large budget to do things really state of the art, and someone like me doing small scale low budget jobs in the hinterlands. I don't think I'll ever want to pay for AVID and those much higher end tools, when I have tools that work for me. Where is Adobe trying to fit? Special effects and graphics specialists, Hollywood superproduction, high end prosumer? I think it's special effects from what I've seen, leveraging AE & Illustrator. Apple is straddling high end prosumer and Hollywood wannabe's, more into video than special effects. Vegas is squarely in the consumer up to prosumer market, given their easy upgrade path from consumer product. Am I wrong on these assumptions?

Alf


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Shane Ross
Re: final cut studio vs adobe production pro
on Feb 19, 2011 at 11:45:27 pm

[Alan Okey] "If editing and editing project collaboration/exchange are not central to your business, Premiere Pro should be perfectly adequate for your needs. Despite FCP and Avid's dominance of the editing market, Premiere Pro does have some very capable tools"

Hear hear! I heartily agree with that statement. If you have PPro, and you need to edit...and you are on a PC...why not use it? It mixes with all the other tools very well, and also works with hardware capture cards like Matrox, AJA and Decklink. I see no reason to go out of your way to get FCP. IN fact, it might slow you down in comparison to using PPro.

Shane

GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it.
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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