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krisztian majdik
29.97 to 2k scan and filmout
on Feb 16, 2011 at 5:21:12 pm

I have the following issue. I edited a short that was shot on 35mm, transfered in telecine years ago to 29.97 for a HDCAm film festival out and edited in 29.97. It's short, 6 minutes. The plan now is however to do a 2K scan and film out.

I am sending the film to the composer and sound dept. soon and I was wondering if I should send it as is 29.97 or convert it to 23.98/24 before the next step? Or just deal with the conversion when everything is in place.


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Jerry Hofmann
Re: 29.97 to 2k scan and filmout
on Feb 16, 2011 at 5:31:33 pm

I think I'd do the conversion first.

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John Kaley
Re: 29.97 to 2k scan and filmout
on Feb 16, 2011 at 5:44:06 pm

Since it was telecine and edited in 29.97, you probably don't have a clean 3:2 cadence throughout the master. (unless all of your edits were on "A" frames) Getting back to clean 24p from the master will be a challenge.

Are you reloading the old project?



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krisztian majdik
Re: 29.97 to 2k scan and filmout
on Feb 16, 2011 at 5:52:53 pm

I could reload the project. I am most worried handing the project to sound/composer in 29.97 or will the length stay the same minus 1-3 frames when I convert to 24fps. I could also just give an EDL (adjusted) to the post house with longer handles and then conform the cut on my system in 2K to match. It's painstaking but with the few cuts not impossible.


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Joseph Owens
Re: 29.97 to 2k scan and filmout
on Feb 16, 2011 at 6:23:40 pm

Reconforming to the original 23.98 might be worth the effort if this is going to filmout. A reverse-telecine on non-coherent 2:3 pull down from the 2997 xfr is not going to be pretty from either a workflow or end-yield perspective.

You are also going to have to compensate the audio track so that it will stay in sync with a 24.000 frame rate, which is what you're going to get as standard in the projection world. Its just something to stay aware of. Usually the house pulling the print composites take care of this.

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John Kaley
Re: 29.97 to 2k scan and filmout
on Feb 16, 2011 at 6:25:26 pm

I'd do a quick test with the audio guys if possible. It seems like the sync will be accurate at 23.976 or 29.97. 6 minutes at 23.976 or 29.97 with 3:2 pulldown is still going to be 6 minutes long.



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