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Richard Angelous
is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 3, 2011 at 10:45:16 pm

Hi, does anybody knows if FCP allows USB video capturing trough a simple CABLE converter from firewire IEEE1384 to USB2 ???

because my IEEE1384 is broken

Thank you.
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Dave LaRonde
No.
on Jan 3, 2011 at 10:59:42 pm

Sorry, it's time to invest in a new firewire cable. You can't sustain the necessary bit rate on a USB 2.

Yeah, you may consider a new firewire cable to be overpriced, but stuff happens, y'know?

Dave LaRonde
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Richard Angelous
I meant the port IEEE1364 is broken
on Jan 4, 2011 at 2:46:34 am

Oh I meant my IEEE1364 port itself is broken, no way to fix it

I didn't mean the cable, the port itself, that is way I asked if FCP allows USB video capture

Thank you



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anthony Bari Jr.
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 3, 2011 at 11:00:31 pm

Are you Capturing(Tape-based)

or Transcoding(Cards,Harddrive based cameras, etc.)

Tape must be capture via FW400 at least.

You can use USB cardreaders to transcode or transfer footage.

hope that helps.

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Richard Angelous
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 2:56:23 am

Good point, I forgot to mention that I need to capture video from tape only, and the port IEEE1364 itself is totally broken

I was curious if FCP allows video capture from tape using a cable converter IEEE1364 to USB



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Steve Eisen
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 4:47:06 am

Richard

It's time to get educated. Firewire is 1394.

There is no such thing as a Firewire to USB or vice versa.

What you need is a Matrox, AJA, Blackmagic or Moto capture device. Google those products.

If your firewire port is indeed fried, get it fixed. USB is NOT an option.

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group


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adam taylor
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 1:03:31 pm

if your mac is a laptop, and has an expresscard slot, then you could buy a firewire express card to solve your problem.

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walter biscardi
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 2:33:00 pm

[adam taylor] "if your mac is a laptop, and has an expresscard slot, then you could buy a firewire express card to solve your problem."

You can also purchase Firewire cards for Mac Pros as well.

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walter biscardi
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 2:34:57 pm

[Richard Angelous] "Hi, does anybody knows if FCP allows USB video capturing trough a simple CABLE converter from firewire IEEE1384 to USB2 ???"

FCP does not allow video capture via USB because USB 2 is too slow to handle the data rates. USB 3 on Windows machines is definitely viable as shown by the BlackMagic product.

Here's a cable converter that claims it can connect USB devices to Firewire ports. Whether it would work or not, I have no idea.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=544070&Q=&ctype=2&is...

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Bouke Vahl
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 3:11:24 pm

eeer, Walter,
USB2 is 480 mb/s.
DV runs at 50 mb/s, so speed is not an issue...
I often capture to USB disks, no problem there. The reason FCP cannot capture over USB lies somewhere else. (Start with looking for an USB port on the back of your deck...)

(for correct numbers, note that the bus speed can be the weakest chain, but often the drive speed is the weakest chain, so actual speeds may be lower)

But i agree with the others, just get the darn port fixed and be done with it.

Bouke

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Harry Bromley-Davenport
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 5:53:05 pm

The bad news is that, as someone who has fried Firewire ports on both a Mac Book and an 8 core tower, you have to replace the main logic board which, on a Mac Book cost me about $500. More like $1500 for the tower unless I am mistaken.

Gloomy prognosis. I wonder how you fried it?

I had a faulty Firestore camera drive recorder and ran around plugging its Firewire into various computers until I smelled burning (really!)and managed to restrain myself. I took out three computers by the time I was finished.

Best wishes

Harry The Destroyer.



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walter biscardi
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 10:19:19 pm

[Bouke Vahl] "eeer, Walter,
USB2 is 480 mb/s.
DV runs at 50 mb/s, so speed is not an issue..."


Er Bouke, that's not sustained.

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Bouke Vahl
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 5, 2011 at 9:37:48 am

No, not sustained.
And DV ain't 50 Mb/s either, it's 25 (senior moment here)
Nevertheless, even if it is not sustained, it is way enough to capture.
Low end Avid / Premiere / FCP users do it all the time, and i do it when i have to capture for a client who brings in a disk.
I even have captured with success to pocketdrives without a powersupply of their own.

Bouke

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Richard Angelous
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 6, 2011 at 10:19:13 pm

Thank you Bouke, but the problem is that I need to capture video from mini dv tape the only port out of the camera is mini IEEE1394

and I was wondering if FCP accepts and recognizes de camera if I use a simple cable converter from mini IEEE1394 TO USB2 like this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Firewire-IEEE-1394-Mini-4-Pin-iLink-Data-Cable-/110...

Thank you



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Bouke Vahl
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 7, 2011 at 9:07:33 am

I know what your problem is, and as i've already stated, in my optinion you should fix the port.

I don't think the cable will work, as besides data, there is also communication between FCP and the deck over the same port. (Unless you have a 422 port as well, but since you capture from a camera, i don't think so...)

But for 7 lousy bucks, just try it.
Not sure about you, but my time is valuable to me.
In my hourly rate, my time on this thread alone is worth more than the 7 bucks for the cable.

Now we're all very interested if it will work or not, so go to the local computer store, buy one, try it and please report back.

If it fails, and you're too poor to get your computer fixed, any half decent G4 running OS9 can do the capture also, and those machines can be had for free nowadays.

Bouke

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Richard Angelous
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 7, 2011 at 10:16:52 pm

I just received the cable an hour ago, but because of the known delay I had to capture days ago somewhere else and I have to finish that edition, so after I finish it I will try the cable, but It won't be today

but we all think it won't work because of the comm. protocols



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Dave Bergan
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Jan 4, 2011 at 9:46:50 pm

Are all the ports fried or is there only the one? You can use a FW400 to 800 cable and capture through the FW800 port.


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Andy Tzeng
Re: is USB video capture posible ?
on Apr 8, 2013 at 5:41:41 am

You can try USB UVC grabber card.

It is driver free for MAC OSX and windows

And it can work on Final cut pro, mac skype, quickTime and etc without any drivers

The video demo is as below

http://febon.blogspot.com/2012/04/driver-free-grabber-card-can-work-on-ap.h...

Grabber card user manual
http://febon.blogspot.com/2012/02/1.html


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