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Andrew Crittenden
Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 7:23:14 am

Hello, I did a screen capture video with QT 10 on my Mac Pro (OS10.6.5) and am having trouble importing into my FCP. I believe it's a case of codec settings, but have tried a DVCPRO HD 720p30, and that didn't work. Any suggestions?

Also am wondering what the codec for Flip Camera HD video is as well.

Thanks, I appreciate the help.

Andy

Andy


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 8:53:47 am

Why didn't DVCPRO HD not work? What happened? How did you convert it? What about the audio? Did you convert that as well?

Not all Flip cameras are the same. Mostly they shoot H.264.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Andrew Crittenden
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 6:32:08 pm

I tried importing the original screen movie and that didn't work, and then I saved in QT7 as a movie
Settings: Compression H.264 Key Frame rate 24 multipass 2048x1152
I get "File Error: Unknown file"

Am setting up FCP files as HDV - 720p24...

Thanks

Andy


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 7:04:05 pm

H.264 is an acquisition and delivery codec. It's not intended for production use. You need to convert the media to a format and codec support in FCP. You should convert it to ProRes or ProRes LT. The audio should be uncompressed 48k as well.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Andrew Crittenden
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 8:02:52 pm

I'm not too bright when it comes to this stuff... but if I understand what your saying, saving the screen recording to 720 720p movie won't work... so then the question becomes how do I convert to PRo Res? I don't see that as an option for either QT7 or QT10? Is there a conversion software I need to purchase? And if so, why does Apple have a Screen capture mechanism which needs to be converted by a third party software before you can edit with it? How else are screen captures supposed to be utilized if you can't edit it?

I'm confused. Thanks very much for your help in this matter.

Andy

Andy


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 9:14:33 pm

If you have FCP6 or 7 then you must have ProRes available to you. It will be a codec in the QT export function. If you have an earlier version of FCP you probably should not be using OS 10.6.x. The full screen capture is not in a video standard frame resolution so it's going to take a pretty good drive to support it, and you will not have much realtime capability in FCP.

You could use Compressor to make the conversion for you.

A screen capture using is intended to be shared on the Internet. If you want to edit the screen capture you should use specialist software like iShowU or Screenflow.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 9:27:20 pm

If you have FCP6 or 7 then you must have ProRes available to you. It will be a codec in the QT export function. If you have an earlier version of FCP you probably should not be using OS 10.6.x. The full screen capture is not in a video standard frame resolution so it's going to take a pretty good drive to support it, and you will not have much realtime capability in FCP.

You could use Compressor to make the conversion for you.

A screen capture using is intended to be shared on the Internet. If you want to edit the screen capture you should use specialist software like iShowU or Screenflow.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Walter Soyka
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Dec 28, 2010 at 9:51:51 pm

[Tom Wolsky] "The full screen capture is not in a video standard frame resolution so it's going to take a pretty good drive to support it, and you will not have much realtime capability in FCP... A screen capture using is intended to be shared on the Internet. If you want to edit the screen capture you should use specialist software like iShowU or Screenflow."

I agree with Tom -- I'm a big Telestream ScreenFlow fan. Both of these products have some great training features beyond simple capture and straight-cut editorial.

With any software, if you want to do a full-screen capture and intercut it with standard video footage I recommend setting your display to a standard video size (like 1280x720 or 1920x1080) before recording.

Walter Soyka
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Charles Diaz
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 24, 2011 at 8:52:09 pm

Hi Tom,
I was reading the thread and have a similar problem, Im hoping you could possibly help me with. I work for a medical software company, and create promotional and educational training videos. This particular project Im working on requires me to demo our product. Im using iShowU HD (screen capture tool), and am trying to bring the file captured in to FCP. The problem lies in that when I bring the file in, it looks fine in the viewer, but as soon as I render the file, it blurs. Making for bad video. Do you have any work arounds or possible solutions to this? Anything you could help me with, is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and God BLess,


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 24, 2011 at 9:33:59 pm

Did you set your screen resolution before capturing to a standard frame resolution? Are you editing in that resolution? What specs are your captured material? What format are you working with in FCP?

High resolution computer screen do not translate well to video unless you take into account the limitations of the medium throughout the process.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Charles Diaz
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 24, 2011 at 10:15:45 pm

Ok so here are my specs in which I recorded in iShowU:

Capture Area: Was application
Output Video: Final Cut- ProRes>1280X720 24P (Apple ProRes 422)(30fps)
Size: Same as Capture Size

Once Im in FCP, im not quite sure what you need to know there. Im all about the editing, and can answer those type of questions. But Im truthfully not all that familiar with what format. Are you asking whether its HD or not? The better question is how can I check to give you a better answer.


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 24, 2011 at 10:24:40 pm

"Final Cut- ProRes>1280X720 24P (Apple ProRes 422)(30fps)"

So you're outputting 1280x720 ProRes from iShowU, but you're giving me two different frame rates. Which is 24fps, or 29.97fps?

After you import this media in FCP, you edit in a sequence that exactly matches these properties, the same frame resolution, the same codec, the same frame rate, either 24fps or 29.97.

Try opening the exported file into the QT player and report exactly what it says in the movie inspector.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Charles Diaz
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 24, 2011 at 10:39:37 pm

The movie inspector info is as follows:

Format:16-bit Integer, Apple ProRes 422, 1022 x 745, Millions
FPS: 24
Playing FPS: (Available while playing)(which is 24 as well, I played it)
Data size:42.81MB
Data Rate: 59.43 mbits/s
Normal size: 1022 x 745 pixels

Ok this may be a dumb question on my part, but where can I view frame rate in which I am currently working on in FCP?


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Charles Diaz
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 24, 2011 at 10:45:57 pm

I figured it out after sending the last post! You are the man!! Thanks so much for your help and patience! God Bless you!

Also I happen to notice you have DVD courses? How can I order or take classes?


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 24, 2011 at 11:02:03 pm

http://www.classondemand.net/media/final-cut-training/fcs3.aspx

This is the DVD for Final Cut Studio (2009). There is a separate disc just for FCP7 as well as discs for other versions.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Charles Diaz
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 25, 2011 at 4:10:52 pm

Hey Tom,
Thanks for the link on the video classes. Im definitely going to invest in that. Im having my company purchase the video for me. Question in regards to the problem I was running into. Now that we figured the issue with the frame rate, I can now see the videos in FCP. But Im still getting a blurry rendered video. The weird thing about it, is that if I double click on the video clip, it shows up mint in the viewer. But when I render the file, its just really tough to see text especially. Im bringing in the raw captured screen recordings as Animation (Best Quality, 29.97 frame rate) I've also done it as DV/DVCPRO (Same settings). Any solution for this?


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 25, 2011 at 4:43:46 pm

What you see in the viewer is the actual file you imported. What you see in the Canvas is the file in the format that it's being processed into in the sequence. Ideally the format and codec and every specification you export from iShowU exactly matches the FCP sequence, then there will be no reprocessing in the sequence.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Charles Diaz
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 25, 2011 at 4:55:43 pm

I apologize if Im not quite understanding, what do you mean by "there will be no reprocessing in the sequence"?


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Screen Capture codec?
on Jan 25, 2011 at 5:06:59 pm

When you export from iShowU, you must export to a format and specification that exactly matches the FCP sequence settings you're going to be working in. If you do not, the media you bring from iShowU will changed, reprocessed, recompressed, rendered out, modified, whatever you want to call it into the sequence settings you're using in FCP. The media will have to be rendered for output, and if your computer is not fast enough, may even have to be rendered for playback. That includes all of the specs for the video, not just the frame rate, but also the frame resolution and codec. This is basic to the way the software works.

"1022 x 745"

This is not a video standard frame resolution. No sequence settings in FCP support it.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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