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Johnny Smith
need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 13, 2010 at 5:17:35 pm

My fcp sequence is 1920 x 1080.
I need to make the highest quality Blu-ray possible for this Tuesday's screening at the Vista Theatre.
How many hours will this take? I have a high end Mac Pro.

Would it be faster if I took the fcp project to a post house?
Can someone please, walk me through this?

400 people will see my first feature on Tuesday, I need to get this right.
I'm sure this info is online somewhere, I'm sorry, I'm under a lot of pressure right now.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 13, 2010 at 6:23:36 pm

Either go to a facility that does BluRays all the time, or create a great SD DVD yourself. SD DVDs can look superb when projected, and the audience seldom knows the difference.

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Warren Eig
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 13, 2010 at 6:42:03 pm

If you own Encore that will work. We do this all the time in CS5.

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Johnny Smith
Mac Pro to Christie digital projector for Big Screen
on Nov 13, 2010 at 6:57:19 pm

Bringing Mac Pro instead of Blu-Ray now.
We'll use VGA (15 pin ) or DVI out and the christie projector will act as a 2nd monitor.

Anyone have any experience or suggestions with this?
Should I be making uncompressed 1920 x 1080 quicktime or use a codec or just fcp's sequence?

(David, we shot on 35mm and spent thousands on telecine to master on HDcamSR
Makes no sense to project sd footage).


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Mark Raudonis
Re: Mac Pro to Christie digital projector for Big Screen
on Nov 13, 2010 at 7:14:13 pm

Johnny,

I would NEVER consider playing back directly from your computer for an audience screening! There's just too much that can go wrong. Making a BLU Ray is really the way to go here.

If you don't know how to do it, PAY someone to do it for you. Do you really want to spend your premiere
night up in the projection booth trying to figure out what went wrong?

Mark



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Johnny Smith
Re: Mac Pro to Christie digital projector for Big Screen
on Nov 13, 2010 at 8:38:39 pm

Mark, what could possibly go wrong and how long does it take to make a blu-ray disc?


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John Pale
Re: Mac Pro to Christie digital projector for Big Screen
on Nov 13, 2010 at 9:37:45 pm

I know everyone seems to be throwing ideas at you....but you should give the simplest at least a try.

First of all, you need a BluRay burner, if you don't already have one. They are cheap now and easy to install in a Mac Pro. Hopefully you are running FCS 3.

Second, just export a Quicktime of your film from FCP (self contained or reference...not Quicktime Conversion.)

Open Compressor and select New Batch From Template (if the template dialog is not set auto open on launch). Click "Create BluRay". Drag your Quicktime to the Batch Window. Compressor makes a pretty bare bones Blu-Ray disc...the default is a generic black menu, with the disc set to play on insertion...but you can customize it a little, if you want. Click on your job, and go to the Inspector...click the Job Action tab and look at the options you have. Next, click Submit and let Compressor do its thing.

If your source footage is good quality, more often than not you will be able to burn a high quality Blu-Ray disc without changing any settings or any fuss at all. The encode and burn will take a couple of hours, probably. If you are unhappy with the results, you should turn to a professional authoring service.

Worth a shot anyway. Good Luck.


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walter biscardi
Re: Mac Pro to Christie digital projector for Big Screen
on Nov 13, 2010 at 10:05:02 pm

[Johnny Smith] "
Mark, what could possibly go wrong and how long does it take to make a blu-ray disc?"


Dropped frames during your film. That would be horrendous.

Take about 2.5 hours to create the files for a 1 hour film.

Takes another 1 hour for Encore to create a Play Only ISO file. If you try to burn the disc directly from Encore it will fail at least 75% of the time.

Take another 1 hour for the BluRay disc to burn using Toast or Nero.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Nick Meyers
Re: Mac Pro to Christie digital projector for Big Screen
on Nov 14, 2010 at 1:52:37 am

i have often played a file off a Macpro,
but there is a lot that can go wrong.
you need a long time to tweak and get it right, find all the potential pitfalls.
by "a lot of time" i don't mean 2 hours,
i mean a full day at least

dropframes are possible.
the better your graphics card, the better your playback.

having minimum amount of stuff on your desktop can help, esp if you are going the "second desktop" approach
make sure the computer or the display is not set to go to sleep EVER.

for presentation niceties, have a black image you can set your desktop to.
(remember the QT file will close it self on completion)

setting the refresh rate of the display is important.
i got best play-back of my 24fps file on a projector that offered a 96khs option.
i only ever saw that on a very expensive projector.


presenting the QT file to the projector as a second desktop can seem like a neat idea,
but having an I/O card in the Mac Pro, and giving a genuine VIDEO signal to the projector is a much better image.
and seems to not be so dependent on the refresh rate.

we had a Kona card and i found using the very simple AJA TV app to be reliable.
(maybe less taxing on the system that FCP?)
Blackmagic have a similar app.


nick


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walter biscardi
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 13, 2010 at 10:02:53 pm

[Johnny Smith] "My fcp sequence is 1920 x 1080.
I need to make the highest quality Blu-ray possible for this Tuesday's screening at the Vista Theatre.
How many hours will this take? I have a high end Mac Pro."


We use Adobe Encore to make "Play Only" BluRay discs using MPEG-2 and AC3 files from Compressor. If this is all you need, and you already have the BluRay burner handy then there you go.

If you don't have the BluRay burner or have no idea how to create a play only disc, then hire someone that does. I'm assuming there's a production house somewhere around that can do this.

We've had multiple screenings of our documentary off BluRay disc in large venues with Christie Projectors and the image is simply stunning. In fact our next screening is Wednesday at Cal-Berkeley.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Warren Eig
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 13, 2010 at 11:08:01 pm

Johnny,

If you are in Los Angeles and have the project on an external FW drive, I can make the Blu-Ray for you.

Warren Eig
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Michael Gissing
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 13, 2010 at 11:22:04 pm

Talk to the theatre people. Do they only play off a bluray player? My experience is that most theaters these days have some sort of file server playback system that can handle mpeg2 high bitrate files with mpeg2 or ac3 multichannel audio.

Talk to them and find out if they can and what specs to adhere to. Deliver the files on a hard drive and forget the whole bluray authoring path if they play off a hard drive server system. Do a short test and check days before the premiere


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 14, 2010 at 1:39:09 am

Rent a KiPro.


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Don Walker
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 14, 2010 at 4:39:36 am

I recently showed my indie film (94 min) through a 18K lumen Christie Projector. Made a BR disc and ran it through a Walmart bought Sony BD player, connected through a component cable. (RCA to BNC converters are needed) I then started a 2009 MBP (esata express 34 card Sonnet F2 Raid array) playing a ProRes FCP movie, through the mini DVI output as a backup, connected to the DVI input of the projector. I started playback on the laptop about 5 seconds after the BluRay. Neither playback device hiccuped durning the 3 showings of the movie.

don walker
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Johnny Smith
Re: need to make Blu-ray for big screen screening ASAP
on Nov 14, 2010 at 5:43:20 am

Don how did it look??
i got a killer Christie CP2000-X
and a cheap samsung blu-ray.

I'll try to find a post house in Hollywood on Monday to make a blu-ray.
Mac Pro will be a backup plan.


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Johnny Smith
uncompressed quicktime or use compressor for blu-ray
on Nov 14, 2010 at 6:23:11 am

Also when i take the ProRes422 master to the post house should I make an uncompressed quicktime file or will that take forever? If not which codec should I use for amazing quality? I can't render for more than 10 hours due to schedule.

Wonder how important compression settings are for Christie.

( Warren, I might be in touch on Monday if I don't find a post house ).


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eric pautsch
Re: uncompressed quicktime or use compressor for blu-ray
on Nov 14, 2010 at 6:44:07 am

If you need a good post facility to do a BD, Id go with this guy in Santa Monica. Will do it in faster than real time on the rig he's working on. It'll beat the pants off of anything done with crap like Toast or Encore....and Im not shilling for this guy either. :)

http://www.hdpostconsulting.com/welcome.html



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Warren Eig
Re: uncompressed quicktime or use compressor for blu-ray
on Nov 14, 2010 at 8:01:05 pm

Jimmy,

It's one of the services I provide. I don't encode in Encore. I just use it for authoring one offs.

Good luck with you post house search.

Warren Eig
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Alf Hanna
Re: uncompressed quicktime or use compressor for blu-ray
on Nov 30, 2010 at 5:54:42 pm

I just produced blu ray versions of a production last night. With a Blu Ray player in your Mac Pro, output the files in Compressor for BR. Then use Toast to burn them, as Apple hasn't negotiated a deal with Sony for BR yet. That would at least get you a BR disk for the showing. Burn two to make sure that the player on the other end can read them. I've had problems where a computer BR player could not play my Mac created BR disk, but a Sony consumer player could play it.

TEST it out before the show.

DON'T use DVD Studio Pro to make the beautiful chapter based DVD because it apparently can't. (or is there something I don't understand about DVD SP?) I wasted hours once finding this out. You can make great SD DVDs but it won't translate to BR at all.

It should work just fine, but given your deadline, find someone locally who can get this done right.

Which brings up a different related question. What are people using to do one DVD menu of the same footage, only output in two different formats? Example: If he wants to spend hours fine tuning a DVD with chapter markers for both SD and BR burning, what are you folks using to do this? Just taking it to a 3rd party? My take on this is that I have to go off of FCP and even Apple because I can't find a professional tool that will do it... Toast is entirely too consumer oriented in it's templates.

Alf


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