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Patrick Bateman
Workflow madness: HDV clips from premiere, offline editing in FCP, then online editing on Premiere. Possible?
on Oct 26, 2010 at 7:35:08 pm

Im trying something out.

I have this large project on standby while the producers wait for some deals to come through. Its a documentary series about Australia done with 2 HDV cameras, 12 one hour episodes.

We've been editing in HD in Premiere so far, but since i recently bought a Macbook Pro and find myself doing nothing at the office for a couple of hours every day, id love to take an offline-d chapter and do some basic editing on FCP. Then, using the "import fcp project" feature on Premiere CS5, i can just reconnect the clips to the original HDV files and finish editing there.

So i grabbed an episode's worth of clips. 200 gigabytes of HDV 1080 mpeg's. I left them converting on MPEG streamclip to Motion JPEG-A at 720x576. It took a couple of days, but it's done. The offline clips are less than 30 gigabytes total! So far so good.

Once the clips were done, I imported them all into FCP. Trouble ensued:

1. No Timecode or Reel info. Nothing. Which is bad, since im going to need to reconnect all these files once i import the whole project in Premiere CS5. Manually typing in the Timecode could take a week (there's 800 clips in this thing) – which i just might do if there's no other way, or pay an intern to do – but i'd love a simpler workflow solution.

2. Almost all clips are a dozen or so frames longer than their original files. Im guessing Motion JPEG-a wasnt the best codec to choose.

This isn't tragic, since i just need to do some very rough offline editing in FCP and then finish inside Premiere. But if premiere decides that it simply wont reconnect files that aren't identical, im screwed.

I'll try things out and post again once i bump into more trouble!


Questions:
1. Is there a way to convert all the 800 HDV clips to a lower res, lighter format that is compatible with FCP WITHOUT losing Timecode and Reel metadata?
2. Any other suggestions? Has anyone done this before?


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Workflow madness: HDV clips from premiere, offline editing in FCP, then online editing on Premiere. Possible?
on Oct 26, 2010 at 9:51:40 pm

[Patrick Bateman] "....i'd love a simpler workflow solution."

Oh, man, do yourself a giant, huge favor and get Adobe Production Premium CS5 for Mac, or at least Premiere.

Don't fart around with FCP for this project. Stay on the same page with the rest of the workflow. There are things Premiere can do that FCP can't, and vice-versa. You'll waste far more more time doing things like you are now than you'll ever save, and accomplish very little, if anything. You have a very bad workflow currently.



[Patrick Bateman] "1. Is there a way to convert all the 800 HDV clips to a lower res, lighter format that is compatible with FCP WITHOUT losing Timecode and Reel metadata?"

HDV is about as lightweight as you can get! It's got the same bitrate as DV. And it's a flippin' bear for editing in FCP. You could TRY exporting an XML from Premiere for use in FCP, but I don't know what comes over.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Shane Ross
Re: Workflow madness: HDV clips from premiere, offline editing in FCP, then online editing on Premiere. Possible?
on Oct 27, 2010 at 12:07:57 am

MPEG STREAMCLIP won't keep the original footage's metadata. Not timecode...not reel number. You were hosed from the start. Plus, Motion JPEG-A really isn't the best codec to choose. But that is moot...

I concur with Dave...keep it in one NLE. Get CS5...it works on your computer.

Shane



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Patrick Bateman
Re: Workflow madness: HDV clips from premiere, offline editing in FCP, then online editing on Premiere. Possible?
on Oct 27, 2010 at 12:13:21 am

Dave, Shane,

I'll try the XML thing but yeah, you're probably right. Modifying timecode data by hand on 800 clips and risking the whole thing falling on it's ass when i bring it over to AP just isnt worth it.

I'll get the trial and see if i can crunch out a couple of pre-edits and save myself some time for when the show is back in production, and convince my producer to pay for the license.

If i have time, i'll experiment with a very small edit and see how far i can stretch this theory, but nothing that will actually risk a whole episode worth of editing.

And Alan,

Netflix.

Thanks everybody!


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Alan Okey
Re: Workflow madness: HDV clips from premiere, offline editing in FCP, then online editing on Premiere. Possible?
on Oct 26, 2010 at 10:43:25 pm

[Patrick Bateman]

Don't you have to return some videotapes?

;)


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