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christina rule
Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 7:55:41 pm

Is final cut the best way to capture footage?
The studio I just started working at is using IMovie to capture their footage.

Is there any significant difference?

my gut would tell me that FCP is best. But I was curious to know the actual reasoning why. Does Imovie automatically compress footage when its imported?

Thanks!

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Rob Grauert
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 8:16:55 pm

Last time I used iMovie, which was a while ago, it was capture video as .dv files.

This is not good for FCP. One reason is .dv combines audio and video, whereas FCP allows you do keep them separate, enabling more flexibility.

I'm not sure how iMovie captures HD though. Even if the HD files are compatible with FCP, I highly doubt iMovie supports good editing codecs like ProRes or DVCPro HD

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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 8:25:32 pm

Yea. Good point. These videos would be taken right into After Effects to be keyed out. In order to get a good key we need good quality footage :) And with Imovie I think we're losing some quality

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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 9:00:58 pm

[christina rule] "In order to get a good key we need good quality footage :)"

That's all the reason you need to capture in FCP using ProRes, in my opinion.

Dave LaRonde
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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 9:05:38 pm

In order to capture ProRes in FCP do I need the aja io box or can I just do a live feed into FCP

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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 9:15:53 pm

I guess it would depend on the camera. We shoot DVCPro HD at 720p in my shop, and we get good keys; just yesterday, I chroma keyed an Emmy award stature against a green screen. Shiny and gold against green... no problem! DVCPro HD happens to have 4-2-2 color resolution, which helps a BUNCH.

Got just a plain ol' HDV camera? Use the AJA I/O box. It'll be like going back to the days when everything video was recorded using studio cameras, through a control room, onto a tape machine the size of a coffin:

Director: "Roll and record."
Engineer: "Recording"
Director: "Okay, cue the talent"

That's 'cause you'll be using Capture Now in FCP for each shot. The results, however, will look beautiful.

Dave LaRonde
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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 9:26:05 pm

wow!!! gold and shiny on green screen! Congrats on getting a good key.

The studio has Sony HDV digital HD camera recorder-HDR FX1

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Rob Grauert
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 9:40:39 pm

You should be able to convert to ProRes during ingest via firewire. Although, if you shot HDV at 1080, you're stuck with the 1440X1080 resolution. Not sure if that causes issues with keying though. I believe HDV 720p is still 1280X720 though, which is good.

...just thought I'd throw it out there

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 8:38:31 pm

You gut is probably right, but it depends entirely on what format you're working in and what the media is you have to ingest.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Shane Ross
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 10:14:47 pm

iMovie does not capture timecode. A professional editor wouldn't be caught dead without timecode.

That place is doing it all wrong.

Shane



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Rafael Amador
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 1:29:16 am

[Shane Ross] "iMovie does not capture timecode. A professional editor wouldn't be caught dead without timecode.

That place is doing it all wrong."

Absolutely.
".dv" is to work in iMovie and forget other workflows.
".dv" its doesn't degrades de picture (pure DV), but crunch the audio to 32 Khz.
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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 1:50:22 am

Right, that's what I thought. Currently the studio is utilized in 2 ways.

1. Shooting an internet TV show with a Tri-caster that pre keys the video for them(in real time) and replaces it with a background of their choice.

2. Shooting talent on a green screen with a sony hdr-Fx1. The final output being for the web (transparent layover video).

The process as of now is capturing the footage via imovie
Importing the files into AE, keying out footage
Exporting files to FLV with alpha.

The main issues I am seeing is the low quality of the footage in Imovie compared to what I see on the tri caster.

Thats why I was concluding that Imovie must be the problem, and FC the solution.

It could be something else but I wanted to get everyone opinion before I do any tests.

Thanks for all the info more is WELCOME!!

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 2:04:25 am

Live keying will always produce better results than a heavily compressed format such as HDV. ProRes recorded media will produce better results and easier to key than Apple Intermediate Codec captured media. There is no way an iMovie capture can come close to a live key from a decent switcher, which thye TriCaster is.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 2:14:05 am

Hey Tom,
Thanks for the advice.

Yea I figured that was the case. I definitely didn't expect to get anywhere close to what we see on the tri caster.(i wish!)
So I guess it seems that the best thing to do now is switch to capturing via FCP so they can capture ProRes? (which Imovie can not do)

I can do that via firewire right?

-Thanks!

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 2:43:24 am

With an AJA box yes.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 2:51:13 am

Is there any other less costly solutions. I definitely agree that this is something the studio should invest in. However for the time being I don't believe it is an option.

Since the live capture is not necessary would it be smarter to just invest in P2 cards for the time being?

I'm not sure why they are set up capturing live at the moment..all i know is I dont think Imovie is not the proper software to be using when trying to capture clear HD footage to key out.

Thanks for all your patients and help!

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Rafael Amador
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 3:13:57 am

[christina rule] "Is there any other less costly solutions"
Plug your camera FW, and capture with QT Pro (Video recorder).
Capture the original HDV to the HD directly. No need iMovie or FC.
rafael

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 3:30:08 am

That's going to capture HDV isn't it?

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 3:46:42 am

Tom,
Are you referring to the suggestion about capturing using quicktime?

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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 3:48:24 am

wouldn't investing in p2 cards be the simplest and most cost effective solution (temporary)?

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Rob Grauert
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 11:36:27 am

Christina,

P2 cards are for Panasonic cameras. You're using Sony. So buying a P2 card isn't going to help unless you also buy a Panasonic camera that records DVCPro HD or AVC-Intra (NOT AVCHD).

I agree with Tom about getting a Kona card. The Kona LHi is probably all you need. But if you're looking for a cost effective solution now, here's a tutorial for capturing HDV to ProRes via FW:

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/poisson_chris/hdv-prores.php

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 12:55:46 pm

Yes.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Rafael Amador
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 3:50:38 am

[Tom Wolsky] "That's going to capture HDV isn't it?"
Yes.
Through FW can capture "native" (DV, DV50, HDV).
At least you avoid the AIC re-compression.
Rafael

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 12:57:57 pm

Can your camera record on a P2 card? Not sure what the benefit is. You're still recording HDV.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 4:57:42 pm

True. Sorry I'm so use to shotting with an HVX.
Maybe Quicktime is the best solution at this point?

@Rob Grauert Thanks for the article! Since Final Cut is not a necessary platform that I need to use (not really cutting up the footage just bringing it to AE to key out). Do you think there are any advantages in using FCP over Quicktime to simply just get the footage on my machine??

Thanks again for all your help! Really appreciate it!

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Rob Grauert
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 6:00:53 pm

"Do you think there are any advantages in using FCP over Quicktime to simply just get the footage on my machine??"

I thought you wanted to convert your HDV footage to ProRes for the purpose of keying. I don't know if Quicktime converts HDV to ProRes during ingest...

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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 30, 2010 at 6:31:25 pm

[Rob Grauert] "I thought you wanted to convert your HDV footage to ProRes for the purpose of keying."

...and I thought the nice lady wanted to preserve as much color information as possible for chroma keying by hooking the camera output up to an AJA I/O box, and using FCP's Capture Now function to record directly in ProRes 422.

Apparently things are still up in the air...

Dave LaRonde
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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Oct 1, 2010 at 8:50:00 pm

@ Rob and Dave :)

Sorry if I'm not explaining things to well.

I am just trying to figure out the best way to capture footage using the equipment the studio has.

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Rob Grauert
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Oct 1, 2010 at 9:06:41 pm

If you don't have an AJA Kona card or breakout box

And if you're stuck recording HDV when you're not doing the live key

Then capture your HDV material following that tutorial I linked you to.

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christina rule
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Oct 2, 2010 at 9:20:04 pm

im trying to follow the tutorial you sent me but now I am having another problem..
I ant seem to get FCP to do a live capture. I know I have to set a none controllable device but cant seem to do that. Everytime I go to the log and capture screen it just says unable to recognize tape.

I've gone to the audio video settings and set the device control preset to none controllable device but it still give me that error...

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Rafael Amador
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Oct 4, 2010 at 12:08:28 pm

Hi Christina,
If you would be downloading from tape, FC would be more convenient, but from camera, use QT Pro.
rafael

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Martin Curtis
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Sep 29, 2010 at 11:40:02 pm

I used to use iMovie to capture while transitioning to FCP. The day I learned Log and Capture in FCP is the day I stopped using iMovie.

As others have alluded to, iMovie capture is good for iMovie, but not much else.

If you are capturing DV, it creates wonky DV files. When you bring them into FCP, you have to render the audio.

If you are capturing AVCHD, iMovie will capture as Apple Intermediate Codec which uses a 4:2:0 colour space, and captures 1920 x 1080 as 1440 x 1080.

About the only reason I can think of using iMovie is because of its "Project Library" feature.


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mark jenner
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Oct 2, 2010 at 1:26:13 pm

I wish final cut pro would make the feature that imovie has of connecting the deck and clicking capture the deck rolls back to the beginning of the tape for you and automatically starts recording the video and stops at the end ideal for those long shoots like stage plays etc where you have two cameras and need to take everything in.
If FCP could organise that it would be great


mark j


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Tom Wolsky
Re: Is Final Cut the best way to capture Footage or is Imovie???
on Oct 2, 2010 at 9:10:44 pm

I guess you've added this to Feedback, have you? Not going to happen if you ask here, though to be honest I'd be surprised if any more development work is done at all on any tape based ingest.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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