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Dan McGuire
Subtitles for FCP - ideal settings
on Aug 20, 2010 at 8:18:04 pm

Folks,

I'm editing a documentary on FCP 7.0.2 that includes several foreign language speakers. These clips need to be subtitled. Several questions:

1. What are the ideal settings for NTSC 4:3 subtitles? Is there a broadcast standard? I'd like to hear opinions:

Font
Color
Drop shadow (Y/N)
Opacity of DS (#)
Maximum amount of words or characters per subtitle (#)

2. I can copy and paste the attribute of drop shadow, but not the attribute of font, font size, or font color - correct? Or can you batch change the fonts and their colors?

Thanks for help.

DMCG


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John Fishback
Re: Subtitles for FCP - ideal settings
on Aug 20, 2010 at 8:45:52 pm

Each broadcaster may have their own requirements so be sure to check with them. Here's a link to Automatic Sync Technologies/ that has a lot of good general info re titling on their site.

John

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Dan McGuire
Re: Subtitles for FCP - ideal settings
on Aug 21, 2010 at 12:17:41 am

Ok, but I don't see on this site and answer to any of my questions - is there a more specific link?

Thanks
DMCG


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John Fishback
Re: Subtitles for FCP - ideal settings
on Aug 21, 2010 at 3:07:06 pm

I don't remember where I saw the info. Check the Support FAQs and Resources tab. I used AST for Flash subtitling and searched all over the site for information. They definitely have recommendations for things like font, # of characters per line, etc.

John

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FCS 3 (FCP 7.0.2, Motion 4.0.2, Comp 3.5.2, DVDSP 4.2.2, Color 1.5.2)

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Dan McGuire
Re: Subtitles for FCP - ideal settings
on Aug 21, 2010 at 12:39:07 pm

this is from a BBC website:

As a general rule, subtitles:

* Must consist of no more than three lines;
* Must contain no more than 32 characters in each line;
* Must be centred at the bottom of the video clip; and
* Should include colours to distinguish speakers from each other – namely, white, yellow, cyan and green.



still would like to know font type and size!


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Bouke Vahl
Re: Subtitles for FCP - ideal settings
on Aug 22, 2010 at 9:58:40 am

This sounds more like subtitling for the deaf.
Normal subtitles have a max of two lines, and are white with a black outline.
4:3 is normally left alligned, for NTSC font size 38.

Fonts are highly subject to taste, but in any case, use a sans-serif, condensed font.
No more than 42 chars on a line, and keep read speed good.
(Rule of thumb, read them OUT LOUD while their on. If you can't make it, shorten the text.)

There is no way that i know to paste attributes on text generators.

And if you are going to subtitle in your timeline, you're nuts. (unless it's just a few titles.)

Check out Subbits from my site. It has a learning curve, but it will save you tons of time.
You can do a roundtrip with XML to get the titles from FCP and back.

BUT, there is a major bug in FCP 7.02. Line breaks on XML export are gone.
(On XML import in FCP they do work.)

Bouke

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Dan McGuire
Re: Subtitles for FCP - ideal settings
on Aug 22, 2010 at 10:52:52 am

Thank you for this - great information.
DAN


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