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Darin Miyashiro
New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 12:29:57 am

What Mac PRO would you recommend for Finalcut or Adobe Premier/After Effects/Photoshop.

Do you think the new quad 3.2 mac pro be a good capable machine?
Or the 6-core 3.3 mac pro? Do you think the 6-core is worth an
extra 1,000 bucks? How much faster do you think the 6-core will be for rendering videos over the quad 3.2 mac pro?

I'm ready to make my purchase...not sure which one to get....aaaah.

Thanks

Darin


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Jerry Hofmann
Re: New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 1:05:25 am

The more machine you buy today, the longer it will be usable with future software I'd think...

"Capable" and "Good" doesn't really give us enough to go on... Certainly you end up spending more and more for that little bit of speed... but those 12 cores look pretty yummy to me.

Jerry

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Darin Miyashiro
Re: New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 1:07:19 am

Ok, here are some parameters...
under 4,000..not including RAM..i'll buy that later.
what system would you get?


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Jerry Hofmann
Re: New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 1:24:51 am

The least expensive 8 core with the 200 buck graphics card upgrade. 8 gigs of RAM. 12 gigs is better but you might save a dime by not buying the RAM from Apple.

Jerry

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Darin Miyashiro
Re: New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 2:20:57 am

So your prefer the 8 memory slots over the six core speed?


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Jerry Hofmann
Re: New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 4:48:27 am

Well I suppose if you do all the math per ghz and number of cores you'd figure out where the best value is for your budget. But raw spec is just that. The software has to play along nice with the hardware too. FCP needs a major upgrade to take advantage of all that horsepower. Color and Motion both love GPU speeds.... so the upgraded card makes sense.

Remember you'll want that graphics card upgrade, and 12 gigs of RAM in whatever you end up with at least. Especially when you start running more than a couple of apps. I'll wager RAM previews in any of these machines are quicker than what you're running now. They likely are faster than my 8 core 3ghz machine... If you wait a bit, there will be speed tests done on the machines by folks like Barefeats.com.

That all said. Those 12 core machines quickly push 8-10k. You could buy 2 of what you're looking at for that much money...

I noticed those cards have three monitor connections too. Sweet.

Jerry

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Dennis Radeke
Re: New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 10:24:12 am

I will say that Adobe apps will use all your cores and all of your available memory effectively. If you plan on having multiple Adobe apps open a lot of the time, then I would favor more memory with a $4k budget.


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Erik Lindahl
Re: New Mac PRO
on Aug 13, 2010 at 10:44:18 am

Well if you're on a 4K budget exluding RAM and so forth the "base systems" you can choose really include:

- 6-core single CPU 3.33 Ghz MacPro with the Radeon 5870 1GB card ($3,899.00)
- 8-core dual CPU 2.44 Ghz MacPro with the Radeon 5870 1GB card ($3,699.00)

Why go 6-core?
- Total of 19,98 vs 19,52 GHz. You can't really count like that but I'd say in general this machine will be faster, esp. on tasks that only utilize 1-2 cores.

Why go 8-core?
- Possibility of more RAM (8 slots vs 4 slots). At a minimum I'd run these systems with 8GB of RAM but recommend 16GB or more.
- Possibility of future Dual CPU upgrades
- Possibility the memory architecture makes these machines in-favour speed-wise.

With both machines I'd opt for the faster GPU. This will last you longer and as soon as OpenCL-savvy apps catch on things will be A LOT faster on the 5870 vs 5770. If I had a choice though I'd probably go for the 6-core machine and bump the RAM to 8-16GB.

What's a bit sad with the above is that I got my 8-core 2.8GHz MacPro from 2008 for below $3,000.00 with 8GB of RAM and the GF 8800 GTX included. Sure the new systems have somewhat better performance / GHz and they also have HT and Turbo but yeah.. Price / performance development has sort of gone backwards I'd say.

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