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Pam Uzzell
working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 16, 2010 at 10:05:31 pm

Hi,

I have a two-part question.

Part one: I have some tapes shot on a JVC camera in 720p. I noticed all the past posts here about how difficult it is to capture to FCP. I followed the directions about using Apple Pro Res to capture and I managed to capture, but the hour tape had fifteen breaks in it. Most of the posts and tutorials I've seen are from a couple of years ago and refer to FCP6. Has anything changed or improved with FCP 7 in terms of being able to capture HDV 720p? Anything I can try to eliminate these breaks? And, if not, what other way to eventually get this footage into FCP without breaks?

Part two: I have other footage shot in HDV 1080i. That, so far has presented me with NO problems capturing or editing, but I haven't gotten very far along in the project. How should I handle having these two different formats for this project? Right now it's early enough in the project that I can convert or reconvert or re-capture as needed, so whatever will make the editing of this the most simple, I'm willing to do it.

Thanks in advance for your help.



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Jeremy Garchow
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 16, 2010 at 11:34:54 pm

Use a capture card with cross convert capabilities and capture the 1080i as 720p or vice versa. I recommend AJA Kona cards for this.


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Michael Gissing
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:09:11 am


If you are delivering to a broadcaster, then 1080i is best. If for web use then 720p.

What you choose is mostly determined by the final delivery format and usage.


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Pam Uzzell
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:20:00 am

Thanks! That is helpful.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:20:11 am

[Michael Gissing] "What you choose is mostly determined by the final delivery format and usage"

And TV station. Most broadcast in 720p.



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Michael Gissing
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:25:15 am


[Jeremy Garchow] "And TV station. Most broadcast in 720p."

All my programs go to international distributors and broadcasters. I have never delivered anything but 1080i and have never seen it as an acceptable delivery format for final programs so far. I take the point that you need to know what your broadcaster specs and as I said, who you are delivering to will determine the best choice.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:26:42 am

And said vice versa :P

Dodge Stratus.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 3:42:11 am

Michael Gissing: "...I have never delivered anything but 1080i and have never seen it as an acceptable delivery format for final programs so far...."

I suspect you don't deliver programs to the ABC network in the USA, then.

I'm not the world's biggest 720p fan myself, but it's what the network runs.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Michael Gissing
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 3:59:55 am


[Dave LaRonde] "I suspect you don't deliver programs to the ABC network in the USA, then.

I'm not the world's biggest 720p fan myself, but it's what the network runs."



Mostly I produce a master HDCam & Digi beta that goes to ABC or SBS Australia, ZDF, Canal+, BBC, Channel 4, Arte, Off the Fence etc (Europe) and Discovery, Nat Geo, PBS (US) and CBC Canada. There are lots of smaller broadcasters as well but no, not directly supplying ABC US.

Most of my source material is also 1080 50i so the small amount of 720p (usually Panasonic camera footage) gets upconverted to 1080i




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Pam Uzzell
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:18:58 am

Thanks! If I get the card and capture the 720p as 1080i, will that eliminate all of the breaks in the video as it's captured?


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:37:34 am

[Pam Uzzell] "Thanks! If I get the card and capture the 720p as 1080i, will that eliminate all of the breaks in the video as it's captured?"

The 'breaks' in the video are usually due to the firewire protocol. Are you capturing from a deck that has an RS422 serial port? Asked another way, what deck do you have to capture the JVC material?


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Pam Uzzell
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 12:53:17 am

I'm using a JVC BR-HD50. I borrowed it from the person who shot the footage, so I don't know anything about it. It is set to the HDV firewire setting and HDV/DV input select.

My sequence preset is Apple ProRes 422 1280x720 30p48kHz. My capture Preset is HDV-Apple ProRes 422. My Device Control Preset is the HDV Firewire preset.



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Jeremy Garchow
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 4:38:18 am

Pam, do you have a Kona LHi card or know someone that does?


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Pam Uzzell
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 5:34:40 am

Alas, I do not. I've inquired with a friend who might have one, and, if not, it seems that it may be worth my while to invest in one for a project with this kind of mixed HDV formats.

Would it help with the 720p issues I'm having? Or, could you see something I'm doing wrong with my audio/video settings?


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 17, 2010 at 3:13:02 pm

With that deck (the JVC) an LHi would help a lot. You could cross convert on the way in so that you are capturing 1080i, and you will be able to avoid using firewire for deck control, and use the rs422.

Jeremy


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Pam Uzzell
Re: working with 720p and 1080i in FCP7
on Jul 18, 2010 at 1:11:33 am

Thank you Jeremy. This is going to be rather a long project, so I think getting the card to use with the deck sounds like a good idea. I really appreciate your help.


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