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Christoffer Thinggaard
MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:06:21 pm

Hallo

I shot a concert for a client last Saturday.
I used 3 EX1's for the job.

The client wanted to edit the footage himself.

I use Vegas Pro
He uses Final Cut pro

He asked to get a HD with all the footage so I imported all the footage using Vegas and put it all on a HD.

He now has the hard drive and has transferred all the footage to his Mac.

But he can't use it, as Final cut refuses to open or play the clips.

I have no knowledge about Final Cut so I thought I would ask the nice folks here at creative cow for some assistance !

What do I do ?
How does my client get my MP4 files ?

...the SxS has already been used for something else

-Christoffer
Denmark


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Kevin Monahan
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 28, 2010 at 11:22:52 pm

Can the clips be opened in Log and Transfer?

Kevin Monahan
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Alan Okey
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 12:53:53 am

Did you back up the contents of the SxS cards, by which I mean the original BPAV folders? This is the preferred way to archive SxS cards in case you need to edit their contents in another NLE in the future. If you have the BPAV folders, give them to your client.

FCP imports XDCAM footage differently than Vegas. FCP uses a utility called Log and Transfer to open the BPAV folders and rewrap the contents into Quicktime files. If you didn't save the BPAV folders, then others on this forum may have suggestions how to deliver usable files to your client.


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Scott Sheriff
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:01:39 am

Hmm, too bad you already reused the media, it would have been better for the editor to capture the media himself since Mpeg4 (aka H.264) is really not an editing codec, and will need to be converted. ProRes would be the way to go.

Scott Sheriff
Director
SST Digital Media
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com


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Rafael Amador
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:04:03 am

Scott,
MP4 is a container. H264 is a codec.
The EX records MP4. In fact there are MPEG-2 wrapped as MP4.
For FC you need to un-wrap them or use a plugin.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Scott Sheriff
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 4:28:03 am

Rafael,
Isn't this a similar situation to the Canon 5D MII, 7D, or am I missing something?
So if you 'unwrap' these files, what do you end up with?
Scott

Scott Sheriff
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SST Digital Media
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com


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Rafael Amador
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 5:03:11 am

Hi Scott,
Is different than with the Canon files.
In the Canon you get plain H264 QT movies.
With the EX you get MP4 files that will be re-wrapped as QT or as MFX (Mac or PC) during the transfer. The codec is the SONY EX (MPEG-2).
So if you don't know if the stuff will be edited in a PC or a Mac, the best option is to save the full BPAV folder keeping the structure.
I think that Vegas and other PC applications can work directly with these MP4, but QT can not read them.
It would be great if this would be fixed.
rafael



http://www.nagavideo.com


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Scott Sheriff
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 6:34:40 am

Rafael,
Thanks for clearing that up, good info to have.
S

Scott Sheriff
Director
SST Digital Media
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com


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Christoffer Thinggaard
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 7:26:35 am

Hi Rafael

Thanks for your reply !

"For FC you need to un-wrap them or use a plugin. "

So there is a plugin for FCP that can help ?
What's it called ?
Where do I find it ?

-Christoffer

Uses : Sony PMW-EX1, Sony Vegas Pro & SonicFire pro 5,

Dreams about buying Particle Illusion & Adobe After Effects


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Rafael Amador
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 1:09:11 pm

Hi Scott,
If I'm not wrong there is no way to work directly with the MP4 files.
This is possible in VEGAS, because is a SONY application. In PP you can't do it neither.
I think the best solution for multi-platform, is to download the files as MFX. You can deal with the FMX in FC using Mfx4Mac.
No need to convert to Prores or any other codec. native EX footage works very well in FC.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Christoffer Thinggaard
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 7:12:57 am

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I figured that I need to convert them.
Do you know of any good software that can do that trick !

-Christoffer

Uses : Sony PMW-EX1, Sony Vegas Pro & SonicFire pro 5,

Dreams about buying Particle Illusion & Adobe After Effects


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Shane Ross
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:59:12 am

So you didn't back up the cards, keeping the complete file structure? DO you also capture tapes and then throw them away, or reuse them? In the tapeless world you MUST keep that file structure.

You captured the footage into Vegas, and now are trying to get that captured footage into FCP? Footage that is captured in one editing software typically cannot be used in another. So if you knew that they were going to be using FCP, you need to take measures to ensure that they can access the footage.

You need to convert the MP4 files to a QT format that the mac can read, and then they can convert them to a format FCP understands. Bear in mind that timecode and other metadata wont be accurate using this method.


Shane



GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it.
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Christoffer Thinggaard
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 7:22:44 am

Hi Shane

Thanks for your reply.

"You need to convert the MP4 files to a QT format that the mac can read"

Yes I figured that I needed to convert them.
Do you know of a good application that can convert to ProRes ?

"Footage that is captured in one editing software typically cannot be used in another."

For some year I worked with a guy who used Premiere Pro while I used Vegas , we never had trouble using files in Premiere that Vegas captured or imported (or vice versa).

"In the tapeless world you MUST keep that file structure. "

That seem completely unnecessary for me,
when I can edit the Mp4's directly with Vegas.
But I can see why FCP uses need to do that.

Glad I'm using Vegas ;)

Uses : Sony PMW-EX1, Sony Vegas Pro & SonicFire pro 5,

Dreams about buying Particle Illusion & Adobe After Effects


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Shane Ross
Re: MP4 from PC to final cut
on Apr 29, 2010 at 2:18:13 pm

[Christoffer Thinggaard] "Do you know of a good application that can convert to ProRe"

If you kept the file structure intact, you could have used the Sony tool, or FCPs Log and Transfer. But without that, you can try CLIPWRAP (there is a demo).

[Christoffer Thinggaard] "or some year I worked with a guy who used Premiere Pro while I used Vegas , we never had trouble using files in Premiere that Vegas captured or imported (or vice versa"

OK...those are good examples. So not EVERY NLE, just the ones I work with then.

[Christoffer Thinggaard] ""In the tapeless world you MUST keep that file structure. "

That seem completely unnecessary for me,
when I can edit the Mp4's directly with Vegas. "


If you were ONLY working with Vegas, I can see that mentality. But you aren't. You are needing to also use that footage in other NLEs, so you need to take that into consideration. Or see if Clipwrap works, and do things your way.



Shane



GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it.
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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