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Gary Ellison
Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:29:42 pm

Hey all,

I'm hoping this will be a pretty simple one. We're going to be shooting a viral soon and it has been requested that our dv-pal footage look like it has been shot on a cell/mobile phone in post.

Can anyone recommend a good way of doing this?

Much appreciated!

Gary


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John Fishback
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 4:56:49 pm

There's a Bad TV filter in the Stylize menu. Or use can combine different filters to create your own effect. OTOH, a lot of cell video is looking pretty good these days.

John

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Dave LaRonde
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:04:24 pm

Since we're talking about DV, you can also import and export self-contained clips a few times. DV's very lossy, and you ought to be able to bugger it up quite nicely.

For extra ugliness, how about fooling with the frame rate?

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Chris Borjis
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 5:52:30 pm


yeah what Dave said.

make it 12fps.

I had to do that once as well, had to make it look like it was from a web cam.



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Walter Soyka
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 6:14:58 pm

This question is a refreshing change of direction from the standard, "I shot my movie on my cell phone, how can I make it look like I shot it with a Viper?"

I think that there are three elements that make cell phone video look like cell phone video: the user, the camera, and the compression.

For the user element, you should might strive to flatten your lighting a bit and add a touch of camera shake where appropriate. For the bad camera, hopefully you've shot with deep depth of field, and you might add a slight fisheye. For the compression, you could blur and mosaic the chroma to simulate low chroma subsampling; add some sharpening until the image looks decent, then add a bit more; and add some subtle or not-so-subtle macroblocking (mosaic) periodically on areas of high motion.

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Kristin Leys
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 7:58:04 pm

Umm... why not just shot it on a cellphone?

That's what we did recently for a similar job. We did nothing in post except for a transcode to ProRes to avoid hassles in editing.

Worked a treat, client was blown away.

No render times either.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 8:22:14 pm

[Kristin Leys] "Umm... why not just shoot it on a cellphone? "

Well, duh, of course! Here I am, always telling people that practical effects are the best effects, and I overlook the obvious.

I'm changing my vote to shooting with a cell phone.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Walter Soyka
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:02:23 pm

[Kristin Leys] "Umm... why not just shot it on a cellphone?"

Because that's cheating!

In all seriousness, I'll play the devil's advocate with a few good reasons to do this as an effect in post:

  • The client might end up wanting a clean version, too (or instead).
  • The client might want to repurpose the footage later.
  • If any kind of editorial is necessary, I'd rather have shots that intercut consistently, which you can't guarantee with automatic camera controls.
  • If any kind of effects work is necessary, I'd rather do it with clean footage, then dirty it up.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:12:27 pm

Aw, jeez, there you go again makin' sense, Walter.

But keep this in mind: if the footage isn't shot on a cel phone, it'll be shot on a DV camera. There's more wiggle room for repurposing, effects work and such with DV, but not a whole lot more.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Kristin Leys
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 24, 2010 at 10:56:31 pm

[Walter Soyka] "Because that's cheating!

In all seriousness, I'll play the devil's advocate with a few good reasons to do this as an effect in post:"



Fair call. I love having options in post. I am an editor after all.

Of course you could just shot your DV footage off a monitor, with a cell phone. Best of both worlds.

All I wanted to point out is that it's possibly to do a lot these 'tricks', 'in camera'. You don't have to do everything in post.


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Gary Ellison
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 25, 2010 at 9:13:56 am

Thanks for all the tips guys, much appreciated!

Haha, well yes this was my easiest solution as well, just use a phone! But unfortunately there's a very good chance the client could come back for a clean version, so we can't really take that chance.

We're not using the dv-pal cam anymore actually, we're shooting HD 1080p on the Sony XD Cam EX1.

Again thanks for all the tips.


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ruari mcleod
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45:05 am

I'm guessing if it was shot on a mobile phone then he would not have posted!


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Zane Barker
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 25, 2010 at 5:39:01 am

Use compressor to make a file that has frame dimensions of something like 320x280 with a frame rate of 15fps.

Then reimport that into FCP




Hindsight is always 1080p



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Rafael Amador
Re: Making DV Footage look like Cell/Mobile phone
on Mar 26, 2010 at 10:57:26 am

You get the perfect picture by converting to "Indexed Colors" (256 colors) in Photoshop and setting "Dither: Noise".
You can also try transcoding to the old Sorenson (no Sorenson 3). Depending of the picture, "Cinepak 256 Colors may work too".
Then some of the touches wisely pointed by Walter.
rafael


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