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Kevin O'Brien
Pan Zoom Pro, still photo moves and out of memory errors
on Mar 22, 2010 at 9:02:15 pm

Hi,
For those who struggle with big still photos you want to do moves on,
I have found that in in Final Cut Pro, big stills that you try to render moves on will give you out of memory errors, and refuse to render.
I tried many things, and did not want to resort to Motion, with it's big learning curve.
Also did not want to give up zooming way in on a big still photo.

I found that the Final Cut plug in Pan Zoom Pro works well, but only with this odd note:
If you try to render a big still in Pan Zoom Pro (i'm working in ProRes) in Low Res preview, it will give an out of memory error. If you switch to "final" mode, which is full resolution, it will render it.
I just tested it with a still that was 12,000 x 10,000 pixels and it rendered it without complaint.
Could not get Final Cut to be happy with anything much bigger than 2k.
If you are doing a lot of stills you can just copy and paste the last one with settings you like, then double click it in the timeline. Now you can throw in your new photo and adjust.
This is the best solution I have found for simple moves with a nice adjustable ease in and ease out.
Before this moment I was tearing my hair out over moves On stills.
I'm working in FCP Studio 3, but used Pan Zoom Pro in my previous version.

Thanks,
Kevin


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Shane Ross
Re: Pan Zoom Pro, still photo moves and out of memory errors
on Mar 22, 2010 at 9:05:43 pm

Is this THE Kevin O'Brien? DP extraordinaire? WHo I have worked with on numerous occasions?

Yeah, FCP doesn't like files over 4K...stills included. I always reduce my stills to 3000-3800 pixels, MAX. Less if the moves on them are minor. 10,000 is...like...WOW! Even with PAN ZOOM, that is just a lot of pixels.

ALways make the pics smaller.

IMHO.



Shane



GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it.
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Steve Eisen
Re: Pan Zoom Pro, still photo moves and out of memory errors
on Mar 22, 2010 at 9:27:02 pm

Increase your Still Cache (Shift Q-System Settings/Memory & Cache) in your preferences also helps. I have made custom presets for pans and zooms. I have also made actions in Photoshop to resize my photos for 1080, 720 and 480. Even with my presets, I still find myself tweaking them in my timeline.

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group


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Kevin O'Brien
Re: Pan Zoom Pro, still photo moves and out of memory errors
on Mar 22, 2010 at 9:52:30 pm

Hey Steve,
Thanks for this suggestion. I forgot about that setting.
Even so, the limit of the size you can use with the Pan Zoom image width and height sliders seems to be about 50 million pixels on my machine (17 Inch laptop unibody Mac). That's 10k by 5k or 8k by 6250k, etc. Still need more experimenting to discover the rules.

Thanks,
Kevin


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Kevin O'Brien
Re: Pan Zoom Pro, still photo moves and out of memory errors
on Mar 22, 2010 at 9:40:20 pm

Hi Shane,
Yes, it's me. I was so happy to find a way NOT to have to reduce my stills in order to do moves on them. I need all that resolution to zoom way in! Now I can have my cake and move way in on it too.
Hope you are well. Now experimenting to see if Pan Zoom Pro cares whether this stills are TIFF or JPEG.
I hear final cut likes tiff, but Just tried Pan Zoom Pro with jpeg and tiff and it took either.
One note: I am using a file that is 12,000 x 9,000 pixels. I am only using it in Pan Zoom Pro with a 10,000 x 5,000 size. (Using the image width and image height sliders in Pan Zoom Pro to choose this size.) This seems to be about max before out of memory messages return. Maximium size the sliders will allow is 10k x 10k, but that size won't render on my system.
It will take some experimenting to see what the limits really are, but at least you can use a huge file and get at least decent size just limiting size in the Pan Zoom Pro sliders. Just tried 8,000 x 6,000 which also rendered OK With same original that is 12k x 9k.
Like I said some experimentation will be needed.


Thanks,
Kevin


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Shane Ross
Re: Pan Zoom Pro, still photo moves and out of memory errors
on Mar 22, 2010 at 9:53:14 pm

So taking the large pics into Pan Zoom kinda bypasses that 4K limit huh? Good to know!

Since you are editing now, can I go shoot some footage for YOU? Hee!



Shane



GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD...don't miss it.
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Kevin O'Brien
Re: Pan Zoom Pro, still photo moves and out of memory errors
on Mar 22, 2010 at 10:10:18 pm

HI Shane,
I have several things you could go shoot for me.
I'm working trying to finish my local doc about my neighborhood, Davis Shores.
It has been in "production" for 3 years!
No money, but the neighborhood organization says I can have some money to pay for hard drives and tapestock and stuff when the film is done... So I'm trying to finish.
It is becoming my Orson Welles project.

Thanks,
Kevin


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