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Tony Sarafoski
Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 2:22:56 am

I'm about to start a project where I have been given 2x different types of rushes.

1: 1920x1080 25fps PROGRESSIVE (encoded as ProRes422)
2: 1440x1080 50i INTERLACED (encoded to ProRess422)

The final production will end up on a Standard Definition PAL DVD.

I'm using Final Cut v6.06 and am not sure what sequence settings I should set my timeline as?



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Rob Grauert
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 2:26:54 am

I would convert your 1440X1080 50i to 1920X1080 25p to get all your media to match.

Use Compressor to do the conversion and make sure you turn on Frame Controls

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Tony Sarafoski
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 2:30:47 am

Robert, thank you for your advice.

Out of curiosity, would I be better off converting all the rushes to 720x576 25P?



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Rob Grauert
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 2:50:46 am

I thought about advising you to do that, but I think it's time we all keep in mind the possibility that you COULD need this, or part of this, in HD in the future. You just never know. Technology is moving fast.

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Tony Sarafoski
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 2:55:27 am

Robert, the other question I wanted to ask you, If I transcode the 50i rushes to 25P, won't that create like a flicker when played back on a SD TV? or will the DVD player interlace the signal on output?



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Rob Grauert
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 3:19:29 am

hmm...I don't know for sure. I don't think it will flicker. At work we shoot 720p and encode SD MPEGs for DVD and preserve the progressive scanning. We have no problems with our DVDs

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Tony Sarafoski
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 3:26:23 am

ok I'll give that a shot.

Making sure I have this right:

1. I need to transcode all my 1440x1080 50i rushes to 1920x1080 25P using compressor & making sure my frame control is turned on. Are there any other settings I need to adjust in frame control?

2. create a new sequence that will be 1920x1080 25 Progressive, and cut away.

3. When done, encode my final project as an MPEG-2, 720x576 25fps Progressive Scan & burn to a DVD.

Anything unusual...?




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Rob Grauert
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 3:34:18 am

"Are there any other settings I need to adjust in frame control?"

Yup. Set all the drop-down options to "Best." There is one for Field Dominance that you should set to Progressive.

2.create a new sequence that will be 1920x1080 25 Progressive, and cut away.
3.When done, encode my final project as an MPEG-2, 720x576 25fps Progressive Scan & burn to a DVD."


That's the plan.


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Tony Sarafoski
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 4:41:28 am

David, not sure if this is a problem..?

1: I setup my timeline sequence settings as per your instruction:


2. added the rushes and export them to mpeg-2 using compressor and the settings you suggested.


3. I've opened DVD SP set my canvas to SD 16:9, and added the mpeg-2 clip to the V1 track. When I click on track (top left of DVD SP screen)


Under the general tab, it show 720x576i..? I've checked the mpeg-2 file and it's definitely progressive. Any idea what I'm doing wrong here?






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Rob Grauert
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 12:24:56 pm

A quick search in the manual indicated to me that only 60p NTSC and 50p PAL is support in DVDSP for SD DVDs. Search "Supported Video Resolution" in the manual for more info

When you are done editing, use Compressor to convert your 50i tp 50p

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Rob Grauert
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 4:17:27 pm

Actually, I just tried to encode an MPEG2 for DVDSP at 720X480 60p. Compressor doesn't allow this option.

Maybe you can edit progressive, then deinterlace in Compressor for DVD.

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Tony Sarafoski
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 26, 2010 at 10:47:04 pm

Sorry Rob I'm a little confused, deinterlace in Compressor for DVD?

Are you able to jot me down your quick workflow?

Rob, is there any easy way or maybe a plugin that will allow me to interlace the progressive footage?



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Rob Grauert
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 27, 2010 at 3:01:01 am

Sorry for the late response - had to go to an FCPUG meet after work today.

Anyway, here's what i'd do:

Convert your 1440X1080 50i to 1920X1080 25p ProRes. Doing this keeps all your media in the same format, which is ideal for editing.

Once you are done editing, export a FCP reference file. File > Export > Quicktime Movie. No need to make a self-contained file since you will encode the MPEG file on the same machine you are editing on.

Once your FCP reference file has been created, bring that into Compressor. Apply the "DVD 90 minute Best Quality" settings to your file. Set it up for 720X576 50i. Make sure you turn Frame Controls on and set all the options to Best. Compressor should then spit out an MPEG and AC3 file.

Bring the MPEG and AC3 file into DVD Studio Pro.

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Tony Sarafoski
Re: Timeline Setting
on Jan 27, 2010 at 3:42:10 am

Thanks for that Rob, I'm ingesting right now but once I finish I'll give this workflow a go.



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