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marrian cho
Reel name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 3:51:03 am

Hi! I have some Canon 7D footage that I'm cutting, and I need to use the dupe detection in FCP. To get this to work, I need reel names. The problem is that there is no reel name attached to these Quicktimes that I've converted to ProRes. I've manually changed the reel name for each clip in FCP only to find that once i move the drive over to another system, the reel information is gone. This means that I need to find a way to have that reel name in the Quicktime's metadata. I tried the "QTChange" tool from videotoolshed.com, but my test showed that although the reel name part of it worked perfectly, it somehow shortened the length of my quicktime and made the audio out of sync. So, what's the solution? How do I permanently change the reel name for my quicktime? Is there a tool I'm missing?

Thanks in advance!

-m


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Matt Lyon
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 6:39:06 am

What file system is your your hard drive formatted as? Changing the reel names in FCP should stick with the files, regardless of what system you bring them too. So I suspect the issue is with the drive. But in any case, you should be able to do everything you want directly within FCP, so I don\'t think an external tool is neccessarily the answer.

Matt Lyon
Editor
Toronto


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Kevin Monahan
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 8:44:52 am

What happens when using Media Manager to move from system to system? Not sneakernet which will cause headaches.

Kevin Monahan
60 Blu-ray Templates for Final Cut Studio 2009
http://www.fcpworld.com
Author - Motion Graphics and Effects in Final Cut Pro


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marrian cho
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 8:00:18 pm

Hi Matt--It's Mac OS Extended (Journaled). It's a 2tb dual-drive G-Raid. Here's the thing, even without moving to another computer, it seems I lost my reel info. I couldn't get my start timecode in my timelines to change, so I trashed my preferences. When I opened it on the system that I originally changed the reel names on, those names disappeared. Poof!

-m


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Matt Lyon
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 8:30:18 pm

Yikes! Sounds like bigger issues then just some rogue files. Have you tried starting a fresh, empty project. Copy one of the bad files to a different drive, bring it into the empty project and see if you can replicate the problems.

Matt Lyon
Editor
Toronto


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marrian cho
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 8:40:06 pm

What do you mean by "bad files"? I don't think I have any bad files. I think there were some minor preference issues that wouldn't allow me to change my start timecode. Once I trashed my preferences, I was able to change the start timecode. And now the reel info is gone. Are you saying that the reel info should have remained even after I trashed my preferences bc the 2 are unrelated? I created a new project, brought in one of my ProRes movie clips, named the Reel, closed the project, trashed my user preferences, re-opened the project, the Reel name is gone. So I'm guessing that that caused the reel info to disappear. Is it just me?


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Matt Lyon
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 9:01:31 pm

Hi Marrian, sorry if I wasn\\\'t clear... I wasn\\\'t using the word \\\"bad\\\" in the literal sense. The files are probably fine but in cases like these I like to eliminate all the variables one at a time to narrow down what is wrong... Hence the new project, copying the files to a different drive, etc.


When FCP changes the reel name of a clip it modifies the file itself on the hard drive. In your case it sounds like something is preventing this from happening properly. This could be a number of things. Now that you\\\'ve trashed your prefs, can you modify the reel name and get it to stick properly? The surest way to check is to close all open fcp projects, quit, relaunch and bring the files into a new project.

Matt Lyon
Editor
Toronto


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marrian cho
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 9:28:15 pm

FCP is so fickle. it works then it doesn't. so i did a couple tests. i brought the clip from the drive onto my main HD, brought it into a new project and changed the reel name, trashed prefs, opened FCP...reel name gone. i did it again, and it stayed. using the original project, the original external drive, changing the reel name, trashing prefs, opening up the project, the reel name stayed. WHAT???? now why would FCP do this? it seems completely unreliable, and i don't really want to change all the reel names to find later that the names will disappear.


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Matt Lyon
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 10:36:32 pm

That\'s too bad it is not working consistently. All I can say is that I\'ve used the reel renaming functionality for many years and have found it to be very reliable. Maybe you need to re-install fcp? Drastic, I know...

For good measure, I would turn on \"ignore permissions on this volume\" in the property window for your external HD... If it isn\'t already.

Matt Lyon
Editor
Toronto


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marrian cho
Re: l name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 31, 2009 at 7:08:58 pm

It seems to be working now. Keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for your help!


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Bouke Vahl
Re: Reel name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 9:20:17 am

Marrian,
I'm a bit concerned about my application getting video out sync.
You know it's in PAL by default?
Perhaps you have to set it to 30 first (use the menu).

The app. will happily put 25 FPS QT TC into a 30 FPS movie, even legal according to QT, it just is annoying if you expect the counter to go up to 29.)
Still, no idea what could happen to the sound.
What steps are you exactly taking?

Can you send me a sample clip or two so i can test what goes wrong where?
(Please one that is original so i can try to break it...)

Use my dropbox if you ain't got an FTP server:
http://dropbox.yousendit.com/BoukeVahl998172




Bouke

http://www.videotoolshed.com/
smart tools for video pro's


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marrian cho
Re: Reel name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 8:21:53 pm

Bouke--Thanks for your response. I didn't adjust the framerate originally. The strange thing is that when I opened the quicktime, the inspector info said that it was running at 30fps even though I think it was running at 25fps. I adjusted the setting to 30fps, and now my duration is correct, but it looks like I only have 25frames per second. I'm uploading the original, "test1" (with framerate unchanged) and "test2" (with framerate set to 30fps) to your SendIt. Is there a way to keep everything the same but just add the reel name? I think your software can be great, but I'm afraid to adjust all my quicktimes using it right now since it took so long to convert my 5D h.264 quicktimes to proRes quicktimes. Also, is there a way to select a source folder and once the files show up in the list at the bottom, to remove quicktimes that you would like to not be affected? Thanks again!

-m


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marrian cho
Re: Reel name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 30, 2009 at 8:27:00 pm

This is what I see in my FCP browser for the clips I mentioned. The Vid Rate isn't correct based on the playback timecode.



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Bouke Vahl
Re: Reel name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 31, 2009 at 9:51:04 am

Marrian,
First, i STRONGLY believe that my app DOES NOT alter the clips in a way they become out of sync.
What can happen is:
If you put 30 FPS material into a 29.97 timeline, FCP will interpret the video as 29.97.
Meaning, each frame in the original clip will get a frame in the timeline.
BUT, the audio will remain at it's original length, thus you end up with sync problems.
(about 2 frames per minute)

Few observations from your clip:
You have rendered to 30 FPS. (Not 29.97, so i assume you don't want to go to tape or monitor on a true client monitor)
Then in my application, you did NOT set the application to 30 FPS, but left it in the default 25 FPS.
This is not good...
Then for clip #2, you probably used my application to change the speed.
Do NOT do this, this function is not supported by FCP, funny things happen.
What this function does is stretching the duration of QT tracks, not altering the FPS!

About TC and Reelnames:
TC and Reelnames do NOT travel inside an FCP project. (Well, a little, but read on...)
FCP finds clips based on filename and location. But the TC and Reelinfo is stored inside the QT clips.
So if you change the TC behind FCP's back (even when FCP is running), FCP will happily display the new TC.
When you alter a reelname or TC inside FCP, it will alter the QT TC track of the original QT on your drive.
So i cannot understand that if you have done so, it won't stick.
(If you enter a reelname in the bin on a clip, FCP will even tell / warn you that it WILL alter the original clip on disk...)

hth,



Bouke

http://www.videotoolshed.com/
smart tools for video pro's


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marrian cho
Re: Reel name / Quicktime metadata
on Dec 31, 2009 at 7:05:01 pm

My clips were shot on the Canon 5D which records @ 30fps, not 29.97...so yes, I wanted to keep it at 30fps. I obviously didn't look through the application very well before attempting the reelname change. I didn't adjust the "Setup" to be at 30. That's where the problem occurred. I tested it out again, and it worked fine.
As for your comment re: changing the reel name in the project and getting that warning, I couldn't tell you either why it didn't stick. I changed the reel name, got the warning, trashed some user preferences bc I thought they were corrupt based on some settings that I wasn't able to change, and the reel names went away. Inexplicable, but it happened. That's why I was trying to edit the QT Reel Names using your application.
Thanks for your help!


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