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marcel franck
HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 2:50:18 pm

Hello to all...I Edit in FCP on my new MBP and I want to monitor on a proper monitor, ie flanders or pani 17"...since my footage is coming from a memory card i dont think i need a aja iohd...i am not outputting to tape....why can't i use a dvi to hd/sdi converter like one from convergent designs to feed the monitor? I dont know what the actual specs are coming out from the dvi port when i choose video playback cinema display full screen...can someone like mr.zelin or mr. biscardi
help me answer this question....? i'm sure there's a good reason why this won't work...just don't know....
thanks in advance
marcel

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Raymond Tuquero
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:04:04 pm

Interesting ... because I am able to do that for Projectors. DVI Out to them for live shows that I do. And it even recognizes the Second monitor as a preview monitor that I can use with Final Cut.

Not to test your knowledge on your Mac. ... but did you tell the graphics card to make the second monitor a second monitor and not a mirror of your main desktop?

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marcel franck
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:15:54 pm

Yes...right now I currently work with a duel monitor set-up...the laptop screen plus a 24"ACD using the mini dispaly port with a dvi adapter...convergent designs have a dvi to hdmi/hd/sdi converter box...
hopefully someone will post with a firm/semifirm answer....;-}
marcel

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Rafael Amador
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:25:03 pm

Hi Marcel,
I've been having a look to the Convergent-Design nanoConnect.
It clearly states "Convert from DVI source (such as a computer) to HD/SD-SDI".
Probably you will need just a DVI to HDMI adaptor.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Rafael Amador
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:19:49 pm

Hi Marcel,
The DVI output the same Digital Component stream that you find in SDI or HDMI (no audio).
I don't know the specs of the Convergent-Design device (you should ask Mike or Dan in CD), but suer you have other solutions:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/dviextender/
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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marcel franck
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:41:49 pm

Thanks Raphael...you are up late no?

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Joe Procopio
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:58:54 pm

as long as you get the correct signal converted to HD/SDI, just make sure the monitor you are going to is calibrated correctly from the signal it is being fed.

what model monitor are you planning on going to, and does it have a blue only mode to set up color on colorbars? just send HD color bars out of the FCP, set your black level with the pluge, the white level so it doesn't clip any whites, and your color with blue only, and you're set...or hire someone to correctly calibrate the monitor with professional calibration gear, colorimeter...etc...if you're near NYC, you could hire me!

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Rafael Amador
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:12:43 pm

Well, here is 11 PM.
Soon I'll switch the computer off and go to read for a while.
I have work to do but today I feel lazy:-)
No lazy, but I have to retake a project that I shot and let half edited 5 months ago.
I would rather go with something new. Is like if you would know what you gonna eat for the next few weeks: Don't feel like eating:-)
Good night.
rafael
PS: Talk with the people of Convergent Design about the "nanoConnect". I have never found people as nice and helpful as in that company.

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Aaron Neitz
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:18:49 pm

The AJA HA5 should do the trick. It's a HDMI to HD-SDI converter (just buy a cheap HDMI/DVI adapter...). But it doesn't come cheap! I'd give AJA a call and see if they think it would work.



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gary adcock
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:26:16 pm

[Aaron Neitz] "he AJA HA5 should do the trick. It's a HDMI to HD-SDI converter (just buy a cheap HDMI/DVI adapter...). But it doesn't come cheap! I'd give AJA a call and see if they think it would work. "

Not from a computer display, the Aja hardware tools only support SMPTE standard video frame rates and rasters.

gary adcock
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Aaron Neitz
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:40:43 pm

[gary adcock] "Not from a computer display, the Aja hardware tools only support SMPTE standard video frame rates and rasters. "

Ah, that's too bad. Thanks Gary.





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gary adcock
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:15:14 pm

[Rafael Amador] "The DVI output the same Digital Component stream that you find in SDI or HDMI (no audio). "

This is totally incorrect.

Computer monitors and their DVI, DVI-D or Display Port outputs work at mhz levels and frame rasters that are NOT video and cannot be captured or played back as video

Output from a computers DVI source is NOT Video especially not on a MAC- it is an RGB image display sequence and cannot be able to be converted to a SDI Video Signal without some kind of Frame scanning capability.

Some HDMI devices allow for these non video signals to be played directly out on a display using DVI to HDMI conversion but even that needs to be handled by devices that allow for it.



gary adcock
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marcel franck
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:35:53 pm

Thanks Gary...that's what I was afraid of...Gary..any way for me to do what I want?...which is to accurately monitor, while editing on a new MBP without buying an IOHD or something like it...note i'm using the express slot on the MBP for esata storage...so all I have available is the FW port.
thanks as always for sharing your knowledge.
marcel

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Shane Ross
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:08:32 pm

Well, with the Express34 slot taken, and you not wanting to use the IoHD, then the only other option is the original Matrox MXO. It connects via DVI, and instead of taking the RGB signal the card usually sends, it extracts a proper YUV signal AND embedded audio....and gives you SDI, Component and Composite out...plus the ability to use a computer monitor as a pretty good HD monitoring solution.

Click on my head at the top to find the link to the review I wrote about it.



Shane



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John Fishback
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:02:37 pm

I'm with Shane re the MXO. We used it for monitoring before we got our current system with Kona 3 and TVLogic monitor. It was a very good solution. And it works as an excellent scan converter, too.

John

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Chris Borjis
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:49:50 pm

[John Fishback] "I'm with Shane re the MXO. We used it for monitoring before we got our current system"

same here



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gary adcock
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:25:21 pm

[marcel franck] "Gary..any way for me to do what I want?...which is to accurately monitor, while editing on a new MBP without buying an IOHD or something like it."

Sorry Marcel,
not beyond the original MXO and the IoHD are your only choices for a monitoring solution to a professional device. The BMD converter mentioned functions like a 1024 or Folsum Presenter to conform display signals to video.

But IMHO if you are going to present yourself as an Editor/Producer you will need professional level monitoring to assure that the content you produce looks as good on screen as it does in your mind.


gary adcock
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Post and Production Workflows for the Digitally Inclined
Chicago, IL


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Rafael Amador
Re: HD/SDI from MBP display port?
on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:11:04 pm

You are absolutely right Gary.
The DVI is able of carrying the same stream that HD/SD-SDI or HDMI, but doesn't means that does so.
I guess that the GPU will change the out going signal depending on the attached monitor.
The info is there but you need something like the Matrox to put it in order.
Cheers,
rafael


http://www.nagavideo.com


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Rafael Amador
DVI Full quality and even with audio..
on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:23:33 pm

This one do it:

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/dviextender/

They say so.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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gary adcock
Re: DVI Full quality and even with audio..
on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:27:22 pm

[Rafael Amador] "They say so. "

just because the "they say so" does not mean it will work for real world situations.

Test for yourself-ALWAYS.

gary adcock
Studio37
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Post and Production Workflows for the Digitally Inclined
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Chris Borjis
Re: DVI Full quality and even with audio..
on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:40:44 pm


[gary adcock] "just because the "they say so" does not mean it will work for real world situations."

absolutely true.

I remember a certain vendor offering a certain product with all
these features and it turned out some of those features were
not doing what I needed in a high quality way, but they sure
made it sound like it did.

Fool me once....



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Rafael Amador
Re: DVI Full quality and even with audio..
on Nov 26, 2009 at 2:12:29 am

[Chris Borjis] "[gary adcock] "just because the "they say so" does not mean it will work for real world situations."

absolutely true.

I remember a certain vendor offering a certain product with all
these features and it turned out some of those features were
not doing what I needed in a high quality way, but they sure
made it sound like it did.

Fool me once.... "

Absolutely true, but we are talking about BlackMagic.
For me that company have the same credibility than AJA, Matrox or Apple.
I've never heard of nobody in the COW claiming being ripped off by this company.
Anyway, sure, i would test the product.
Being half the price of the Matrox can be a good solution.
rafael



http://www.nagavideo.com


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gary adcock
Re: DVI Full quality and even with audio..
on Nov 26, 2009 at 5:37:17 pm

[Rafael Amador] "Absolutely true, but we are talking about BlackMagic.
For me that company have the same credibility than AJA, Matrox or Apple.
I've never heard of nobody in the COW claiming being ripped off by this company."


Rafael,

In my post I did not mention any manufacturer specifically and you are not allowed to claim false words or statements were made by me when in fact you are quoting another individual's post.

At NO TIME have I ever said anything to that effect, and I am greatly offended that you would attach that claim to my name as a quote. I have the highest respect for the people I know at BMD, they have always treated me with courtesy and respect.







gary adcock
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Post and Production Workflows for the Digitally Inclined
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Rafael Amador
Re: DVI Full quality and even with audio..
on Nov 27, 2009 at 12:58:18 am

gary:
Read twice.
I haven't quoted you.
I did quoted Chris Borjis.
And please don't make any big thing from nothing.
i've just stated that I trust BM as I trust AJA and few other companies.
I haven't put any words in the mouth of nobody.
Have a nice day.
rafael


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