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Valerie Shoaps
Partitons not needed in Tiger, but "not a good thing"?
on Jan 12, 2006 at 7:18:51 pm

I broke down and bought a new Mac for myself. I've only owned PC's for the last 10 years and the one partition (main drive) idea is kind of spooky to me.

I've read in the archives that partitioning isn't needed, but I'm thinking of an organizational nightmare. If I use something like VolumeWorks to split up the main 250 gig drive, am I asking for problems or decreased performance? This product is attractive as my system came with the OS preinstalled and I'd like to bypass doing a reinstall within my first 24 hours of ownership that would be required with Disk Utility.

Second question, kind of related the first - what about a partion on my capture drive? I'm going to add a FW 800 raid for sd video, but I'm putting in a second SATA drive inside the box for DV/DV50/HDV. Would it be a bad idea to create a smallish partition on this drive solely backup of important files? Would I decrease the drive performance?


Thanks a lot,
Valerie




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Gunleik Groven
Re: Partitons not needed in Tiger, but "not a good thing"?
on Jan 12, 2006 at 9:28:15 pm

My experince is that having at least two partitions have sometimes saved half my work when a drive has gone bad.

But I don't do it anymore...

-;)

Gunleik


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Tony!
Re: Partitons not needed in Tiger, but "not a good thing"?
on Jan 12, 2006 at 11:04:15 pm

I'm not a fan of partitioning at all. In my opinion the best way to set up you new Mac is to install a second SATA drive as you intended. Make it at least as big and fast as the current startup drive. Then you an application like Carbon Copy Cloner, SuperDuper!, or Retrospect to clone your entire startup drive to your new second internal SATA drive. Update the clone on a regular basis and always update it before doing any major OS or application installers/updates. This way you can always go back to the previous working version of your system by starting up off the second (cloned) drive or cloning it back to your normal startup drive. It's fast, it's easy, it's safe.

If you need more organization, just look to the many great tools in OS X. Smart Folders are awesome. Spotlight and AutoMator can make life a lot easier. If that doesn't do it for you, then buy cheap Firewire/USB/SATA drives for data/files you want to keep completely separate. What I do, is work off my RAID, but backup to a Firewire drive every night the current projects files. That way I always have everything in two places.

For your RAID. I don't recommend getting a Firewire RAID. Apple invented this great technology, but its becoming clear (at least very likely) that Apple is moving away from Firewire with their future machines. Firewire 400 will have to stick around for some time as too many camera and other devices use it, but Firewire 800 has not been included in Apple's new Intel Mac's (at least the ones we've seen so far). Also, Firewire 800 has no where near the speed and reliability of SATA. Get a SATA RAID (unless you have the budget for a high-end RAID like an Xserve RAID with a Fibre connection). You will need to add a good SATA card to your Mac as well, but this is not a big cost and well worth it. Make sure you get the proper one for your Mac. The newest Mac's are PCIe, but other recent models came with PCI-X or PCI slots. The vendors at the links I provided below should be able to help you get the right one. Or, read/search some of the Final Cut or Manufacture forums (like G- Tech or ProMax) for more info.

Here's some links to some of the items I'm talking about:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13260 (Cabon Copy Cloner)
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22126 (SuperDuper!)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/spotlight/ (Spotlight)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/automator/ (Automator)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/finder/ (Smartfolders and more Spotlight)

Some possible inexpensive SATA RAID solutions that I like (there are better, but much more expensive solutions):

http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-SATA.cfm (G-Tech)
http://www.macgurus.com/productpages/sata/satakits.php (Burly Box)
http://www.promax.com/Products/SubCat/Storage/External%20SATA (ProMax)
http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10490 (LaCie - they had many, many reliability complaints with their Big Disks, but hopefully, this new SATA II RAID won't have the same issues).

There are many other possibilities, but I believe my suggestions will give you a much more reliable, faster, better system than what you suggested above. Read the various forums here to get more info about RAID's and workflow's that may help.

I hope that helps and welcome to Mac side of the world,

Tony!



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Valerie Shoaps
Thank you, and recommend a hardware forum?
on Jan 13, 2006 at 5:58:12 pm

Thanks for the info and links. I'm still very PC when it comes to thinking. I just learned "how to mount a .dmg" - I couldn't figure out the little picture things... hahaha. I've worked on many Mac systems before,but I never had to even boot them up; sit and get to work, so I'm getting bitten by that.

I have a new Quad which has PCIe and is going to limit my choices for a while. I thought FW 800 might be less of a hassle upfront, but I'm going to look into adding a SATA card for a RAID.

Can anyone suggest a good Apple hardware forum? I couldn't change my order once I realized a few things, and now I have questions about finding a 7800 GT card, what brand of memeory to mix (if allowable), and so forth. I Googled a few but editing/motion graphics is a bit more intensive than casual usage (I think).


Thanks again,
Valerie


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Tony!
Re: Thank you, and recommend a hardware forum?
on Jan 13, 2006 at 7:14:58 pm

Np Valerie,

You can discuss hardware here, or on one of our other Cow forums, depending on what hardware you're talking about. We have forums setup for many manufacturers products including Medea, G-Tech, AJA, BlackMagic, Sony, Panasonic, and others. Apple hardware can be talked about here, or on any of the other Apple forums that relate to what you're doing (Like Final Cut Pro or DVD Studio Pro forums). Also, you can check Apple's own discussion forums for more info specifically on Apple products: http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa?ft=y

Tony!


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MrVideo
Re: Thank you, and recommend a hardware forum?
on Jan 14, 2006 at 4:39:15 pm

I have a new Quad which has PCIe and is going to limit my choices for a while.


HI Valerie,

I just took delivery of a Quad G5 and I have 4 -500 GB SATA drives that I am waiting to install. I have decided to use the CPU bay mounting from MaxConnect along with the HighPoint 2320 8 port PCI Express controller card.

At MacWorld, Sonnet announced 4 port internal and external PCIe cards for February delivery but the HighPoint allows you more RAID (0-1-5-10) modes than just RAID 0. If you are not aware of what differnet RAID levels offer, please ask.



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