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Keith Hill
Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 24, 2005 at 11:46:24 pm

As I begin my first major upgrade to my G5 2ghz Power Mac. Is there anything that I should be careful about as I prepare to jump right into Tiger and then upgrade right into FCP Studio upgrades (not to mention other apps like Autodesk Combustion4? Up til now I primarily edit DV and 24p (23.98) using my Dvx100A via Firewire? After the move to Tiger, then I will begin to make choices concerning HD, low-cost RAID and Capture Cards.

I guess I'm just looking for a Road Map of sorts - advice from those who have done this before. Ultimately, I know that we are taking the plunge together and that there will be uncertainties regardless.

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.8) 2Ghz PowerPC


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David
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 25, 2005 at 5:51:01 am

"Is there anything that I should be careful about...."

like what?


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 25, 2005 at 10:45:38 am

I don't know. Are you just going to buy the upgrade and do it? Nothing to it?

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.8) 2Ghz PowerPC


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Chris Babbitt
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 25, 2005 at 2:24:39 pm

The new apps do not require Tiger. They will run just fine on Panther, so if you're nervous about upgrading the OS, just wait until the dust settles.


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 25, 2005 at 4:04:07 pm

I'm already on order for the OS. I guess it's going to take a fews short weeks for feedback to roll in anyway. Of which, I will probably be able to read about hear and other places. Just a little nervous though. My 2Ghz G5 has been running great with no problems up to this point.

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.8) 2Ghz PowerPC


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David
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 25, 2005 at 4:17:46 pm

Do you take care of your computer/regularily maintain your system? If yes - I don't see any problem or issue with Tiger.


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MrVideo
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 25, 2005 at 5:57:35 pm

Every so often - it is a good idea to remove everything from your system drive and reload EVERYTHING. I find it perfect upon encountering a major OS upgrade like 10.3 to 10.4.

UNIX can get very cluttered when loading all those apps and here's what I do.

Mount a Firewire drive and use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the entire boot drive to it.
This accomlishes two things.

First - Never update an operating system without a backup!
This action gives you a bootable Firewire drive with all original contents.
No matter what happens from this point, you can always go back!

Next, use the disk utilities to initialize the primary boot disk and if you are able write all zero's to the platters to insure all the data is oblitherated.

Load up the Tiger installation DVD and follow the install instructions.

After the system has restarted under 10.4; you can now copy your applications folder from the Firewire drive and your user folders. any mail and browser bookmarks.

Hopefully all your mounted drives came to life under the new operating system and with a little care you should know what does and what doesn't now work on Tiger.

Don't forget to run Disk Utilities>Repair Permissions after the initial upgrade install and after using CCC to relaod your files.


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 26, 2005 at 5:54:50 am

Thanks for the outline. I don't have an additional drive. I may have to wing it. I've managed to maintain my system with no problems so far.

Disk Warrior is on my list of things to get though.

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.8) 2Ghz PowerPC


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craig moss
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 26, 2005 at 10:17:16 pm

Sooner or later your system drive will fail or get messed up or your mac will need a trip to the shop. Why not spring for an external drive on which you can clone your system. If you get a loaner, you can boot from this drive and not miss a beat. If your system drive fails or gets corrupted you can boot from the external copy and clone it back. It's not a matter of if but when.

OSX 10.2.3; Quicksilver Dual 1 gig; FCP 3.0.4; Sony camcorder vx2000; write professionally for a variety of media


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 26, 2005 at 11:54:39 pm

Can you recommend a simple little extrenal drive that could be used for backup of MAC HD? I'm in the process of evaluating some of the low-cost RAID solutions (eg. Huge, G-Tech, etc) for my ultimate storage solution.

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.8) 2Ghz PowerPC


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David
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 27, 2005 at 1:02:06 am



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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 28, 2005 at 10:21:54 pm

Craig,

Let me be sure I understand how this would work. I get an external drive like a G-RAID or whatever. I then select from my desktop the MAC HD and duplicate it then paste it to the new external drive and everything on the MAC HD will be copied to the the external? Or, is there a more definitive procedure I would need to follow.

My apologies, I'm not a systems guy. I'm used to plug and play in setup.

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.8) 2Ghz PowerPC


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David
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 28, 2005 at 10:26:30 pm

you need CCC - you can't just "copy" your HD....


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 28, 2005 at 10:42:45 pm

What IS CCC?

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.9) 2Ghz PowerPC


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David
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 28, 2005 at 10:51:49 pm

read (and the link):

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/ccc_boot_drive.html


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 29, 2005 at 12:53:02 am

Excellent. I will. Thanks again

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.9) 2Ghz PowerPC


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Burt Hazard
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 28, 2005 at 8:20:19 pm

With FCP, it's always better to let other people be the testers and make sure there are no issues between FCP and a new Mac OS (unless you want to be one of the brave ones!).

I'm only buying the Tiger upgrade tomorrow at an Apple store to get in on the supposed Powerbook and iPod raffle they're gonna have.


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MitchJi
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 29, 2005 at 6:31:04 am

Hi Keith,

You shoud follow the backup advice. Every once in while there is a thread by someone with a perfectly working system who had it go south with an upgrade and sometimes they spend days getting it back. All you need is a spare partition a little bigger than your boot partition. A few dollars of hard drive space and an hour of copying and testing is cheap insurance. You can use the Restore tab in Disk Utility (free), CCC or SuperDuper to clone the partition.

I would wait until you KNOW that all the applications you need work under Tiger and wait for the major bugs to be uncovered. Do you really want to be an unpaid beta tester for Apple? By the time everything you use is known to work Tiger will probably be at 10.4.2 or 10.4.3 and it will be safe to jump in.

Best Wishes,

Mitch


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MitchJi
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 29, 2005 at 6:32:48 am

Hi,

If you think a back up is not a good idea check this thread above:


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 29, 2005 at 11:51:04 am

Thank you, Mitch. And, everyone who chimed in on this thread. I do plan to take all of the advice outlined. I'll probably upgrade to Final Cut Studio on this v10.3.9 and sit still until everything shakes out.

I've got to buy all of this (drvies and all) anyway. I'm sure this thread has helped other as well. I hope.

Macfixit put this out today as well: http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20050429000534549

Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.3.9) 2Ghz PowerPC


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MitchJi
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on Apr 29, 2005 at 6:09:02 pm

Hi Keith,

Macfixit recommends similar (repair the drive, fix perms) steps for the dot (10.3.x to 10.3.+). I'm not sure if they recommend backups for those more minor updates but I do.

One additional step they recommend for the dot updates is downloading and running the "combo" installer. They have found that running the combo often fixes problems caused by running the non combo updates.

Best Wishes,

Mitch


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Keith Hill
Re: Tiger Upgrade Advise
on May 3, 2005 at 11:36:43 pm

My installation went well. All of my applications appear to be working fine.

I'm only having to deal with passwords, and re-installs some plugs here and there. Great OS. I've got to get into Automator and iChat.


Keith Hill
http://www.LightedPath.biz
Dallas, TX
FCP HD (v4.5), Combustion 3 (v3.0.4), DVD StudioPro3 (v 3.0.2) all on a MAC G5 (v10.4-Tiger) 2Ghz PowerPC 1.5 RAM


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