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Enrico Lappano
FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 16, 2010 at 7:23:07 pm

Can somebody suggest an excellent workflow in Final Cut Pro 7 for capture and editing presets using both the Canon 7D and XH-A1s cameras, in one 1080 30 frames per second timeline for 2 shot doc interviews? The 7D (the A camera) is progressive 1920x1080 and XH-A1s (B camera and also for sound) interlaced 1440x1080.

Your help is most appreciated.


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Scott Mason
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 17, 2010 at 4:31:37 pm

I'd love to know to I often have same workflow. When I use my 7D I use MpegStream clip to take to Apple Pro res LT but not sure what to do when integrating with the Canon XHA1


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Michael Kammes
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 17, 2010 at 6:35:58 pm

FCP really isn't ready to edit raw 7D or XHA1 generated material. Heck, the latest version of Media Composer has some issues.

Best bet (and practice) is to convert the footage to a more manageable format that is easier for the NLE to use. For FCP, this would be ProRes. I'd go with ProRes 422 or ProRes 422 HQ.

The XHA1 follows the same practice: flip it to Pro Res before attempting to edit!



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Enrico Lappano
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 17, 2010 at 11:50:09 pm

I have captured test XH-A1s footage in ProRes 422 and also exported a sample 7D clip to ProRes422 in Mpeg Streamclip. When I drop them each into a ProRes 1920x1080 30P (both clips are 30 fps) Sequence in FCP 7, the HX-A1s message window only asks about changing the resolution size from 1440x1080 (which I think is ok). But the 7D clip message window asks to change the Field Dominance from None (which is the original sequence setting) to Upper/Odd.

How can I make sure that footage from both camera sources are matched in ProRes 422?

I would very much appreciate any help on this.


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David Foster
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 23, 2010 at 3:17:49 am

Why would you shoot one camera in progressive and one interlaced? That can lead to all sorts of issues. I don't have a 7D, so I don't know if it can shoot interlaced. The XH-A1 does a really nice job shooting in progressive at either 24 or 30 frames.

I will help you down the road to get this part fixed before shooting anything.

Dave


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Enrico Lappano
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 23, 2010 at 3:59:33 am

I shot material at 24 and 30 frames and when I check my signal set up on the HX-A1s, the only option it seemed to give was 1080i/480i. I really hope I'm mistaken but I thought that was interlaced and 1080p is progressive. The 7D I believe is true 1080P (progressive) which I'm shooting 2 shot interviews along with the XH-A1s. Again, I could be mistaken but I'm coming from an SD background and this is my first project in HD. So I'm trying to understand/resolve the workflow with these 2 cameras.

I appreciate your feedback and any suggestions clarifying this issue are most helpful at this time.


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David Foster
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 23, 2010 at 4:53:22 am

Okay,

When you turn on the Xha1 to record, first press the menu button. The top item on the list is signal setup. Go into there, and you'll see the option for frame rate. Select that. Now you'll see 60i, 30f, and 24f. The F is Canon's version of progressive (progressive segmented frame of psf). The camera will put up text asking you to confirm the frame rate change. Say yes, exit the menu, and you're all set.

Dave


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Enrico Lappano
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Dec 23, 2010 at 4:16:09 pm

That is how my XH-A1s was set up for recording. Checking the "Comp. Out" item, it says 1080i which I thought referred to interlaced, but perhaps I am wrong.

The difference between the 7D (which I'm pretty sure is fully Progressive) is showing in the Final Cut Pro workflow. Both cameras in my 2 shot interviews (the XH-A1s and 7D) are set to 30 fps. But when I export them each in Pro Res 422 and drop them into a ProRes 422 1920x1080 30P sequence timeline, the Field Dominance from the 7D is Upper/Odd while the HX-A1s is None.

I need to use both cameras (XH-A1s and 7D) in my FCP edit. How do I set up the workflow in Final Cut Pro to match the footage from both cameras?


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Anthony Bari Jr.
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Jan 4, 2011 at 2:50:26 pm

Shooting DSLR and shooting with an HDV camera is not going to give you the same colors.

Canon 7D:4:2:2 color space

Canon XHA1 (HDV) 4:2:0

Transcode all of your footage to ProRes 4:2:2 HQ

Cleaner than LT, (I use LT alot) when you capture HDV its a crazy codec that has be adapted to more over years. Its just not great to work with and is highly compressed.

i hope this helps.

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David Foster
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Jan 4, 2011 at 3:36:29 pm

No.

7d does not shoot in 4:2:2. It is also 4:2:0. HQ Prores is overkill for these compressed formats. Reguar Prores should be more than sufficient.

Dave


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Enrico Lappano
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Jan 4, 2011 at 4:48:22 pm

Originally, I transcoded all the footage with the 2 cameras to HQ ProRes, but was told by some other people also that it was overkill. Because my monitoring system is basically a modified to 16:9 (with Intensity Pro) JVC SD monitor, I can't really tell between the HQ and regular ProRes resolutions. Upon completion, the doc project is intended to play on large cinema screens.

Further, are the differences showing with the Field Dominance between the 2 cameras when all footage has been transcoded to Regular ProRes and dropped onto a ProRes 422 1920x1080 30P sequence (the Field Dominance from the 7D is Upper/Odd while the HX-A1s is None) an issue?

I really appreciate this feedback and it seems like it's getting close, and hopefully soon with finality to edit with confidence. I hope there are other people out there who are using the 7D and HX-A1s combo that this thread could help too.


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Enrico Lappano
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Jan 9, 2011 at 6:43:35 pm

Another way of phrasing the question would be if both cameras are converted to one ProRes 422 codec, is it still a noticeable issue that their Field Dominance is different (XH-A1s is normal and 7D is odd) on the ProRes 30P sequence? If this is a problem, can I correct it in any way?

I would appreciate any help on this question.


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Brian DeViteri
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Jan 25, 2011 at 3:39:04 pm

Have you tried using the MEDIA MANAGER to conform all of your source media to the same settings? I've done this when working with several different sources and it's worked really nice for my workflow.

Assuming you're taking the XH-A1s footage in over Firewire from the camera, and not through HD-SDI and a deck, correct? If you take it in over HD-SDI you'll have a LOT more options when it comes to codec to digitize in.



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Enrico Lappano
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on Jan 25, 2011 at 4:37:47 pm

Because the XH-A1s shoots 1440x1080, I was advised that in order to match the sequence and 7D's 1920x1080 frame size, I should convert the XH-A1s clips to ProRes and up res scale size (to 1920x1080)in Compressor. If I do that, should I also be turning on the Frame Controls? As well, in Frame Controls, should the Resize Filter be set to Best and Output Field to Progressive? Is there anything else to consider?

Perhaps I could use Media Manager to identify/assemble all the XH-A1s clips at one time to convert?


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David Stembridge
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on May 9, 2012 at 8:23:23 pm

Will reg ProRes give you 4:2:2 as well?


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Michael Kammes
Re: FCP workflow for Canon 7D and XH-A1s
on May 9, 2012 at 8:28:23 pm

Yes, Pro Res Proxy, LT, 422, or HQ are all 4:2:2 (hence the "422" name).

ProRes 4:4:4:4, is, of course, 4:4:4:4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProRes_422

~Michael



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