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ted irving
Best Consumer Canon AVCHD cam
on Apr 8, 2010 at 10:53:01 am

If you are an avid Canon consumer video camera user, which of the consumer HD video cameras records the highest quality HD as well as audio without any hiss from the camera mechanical parts? DSLR is in the mix for me, but I'm focusing right now on just the HD cams such as the HFS200, HSF11 and the new HFS 21.

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Norman Willis
Re: Best Consumer Canon AVCHD cam
on Apr 11, 2010 at 3:32:43 am

I have two HF S10's, and have loved them. I need to part with one of them, because I had to buy an EOS 5D for a television show, but the HF S10 is a great little cam.

I am not 100% sure, but I think the main difference between the HF S10 and the HF S11 is that the HF S11 has two removable flash memory cards. However, that is not really an issue unless you take a lot (a lot) of footage before hitting your computer, because one 32GB card does almost three hours worth of footage (2 hrs. 55 min).

Either HF S10 or HF S11 and you cannot go wrong. Just be sure to get the extended batteries (from Canon).

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ted irving
Re: Best Consumer Canon AVCHD cam
on Apr 11, 2010 at 5:28:12 pm

Thanks for the info. One small image question. I have made the switch to small cameras for my TV production work. Have you ever compared your HFS10 or 11 on a scope with a HDV or Sony XDCAM? I'm curious about the quality and at this point I'm positive I can shoot my programs on these small AVCHD cams @ 1920 x 1080 and sell them internationally. Domestically may not fly and I'll probably have to get a EX1 or JVC HM700. What do you think?

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Norman Willis
Re: Best Consumer Canon AVCHD cam
on Apr 11, 2010 at 8:00:50 pm

Ted,

I am not an expert, but this is what little I know, and my opinion:

I went tapeless to get rid of interlacing and 1080i. I was immediately glad, and would never go back to tapes. The storage problem is easily solved by multiple USB hard drive backups, and is still way cheaper.

I just bought an EOS 5D because I needed a broadcast quality image. I would think a 7D or even a T2i would work, depending on your requirement. I needed the full frame on the 5D, because I have a very tight space. I need full body shots at 7 feet to lens, and I could not get that from either a 7D or a T2i.

The 12 minute limit is an issue. I am keeping one HF S10 for when I do talks in front of groups (which tend to go on for a couple of hours). That way I just start the cam, and forget about it until I am done (one less thing to be mindful of makes for a much more relaxed presentation). Also, the T2i tends to overheat and shut down after about an hour.

If you are adventuresome, you can always use the HDMI out port on an HF S10 or HF S11 to capture raw. This can be done with a Black Magic card, but the AJA cards are much higher quality. That will blow away even a 5D. There is also the Convergent Designs Nano Flash unit, which captures raw.

The issue with AVCHD is that it compresses so tightly. It is like reducing a picture of the Mona Lisa 100 times on a Xerox machine, and then blowing it back up. No matter how fine the initial source image, that much compression and re-expansion muddles it up somewhat.

HDV and interlacing have their own issues. I am not an expert in that area. I do know that they make some dandy HDV broadcast quality cams, but I would think that an HF S10 or S11 coupled with a Convergent Designs Nano Flash unit recording in raw would blow it away.

Perhaps someone else might have some better experience with that, and they could tell you for sure.

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ted irving
Re: Best Consumer Canon AVCHD cam
on Apr 12, 2010 at 11:12:11 am

Thanks again for the great info. I'm so behind on getting a new mac that can handle the ingest of HDMI footage. I'm still using a sonnettech processor enhanced PowerMac dual G4. I do have a MacIntel MacbookPro though and I use it to edit my HDV and AVCHD footage. I've read about both the AJA and Black Magic products. Both are on the wish list. Not sure which route to go but since I"m on the laptop the AJA KiPro is looking very tasty. I"ll have to do some price checking an compare that investment with just getting a Mac tower and then a HDMI card. I defiitely want the highest quality possible. Thanks again.

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Norman Willis
Re: Best Consumer Canon AVCHD cam
on Apr 12, 2010 at 2:12:02 pm

>>I defiitely want the highest quality possible.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/600482-REG/Convergent_Design_NANOFLAS...

The Canon glass on an HF S10 and 11 is very good. If you plug this into the HDMI Out port of your HF S11 (and let it ride piggy-back) you will get a raw signal, prior to any compression. Plus you will not need to be tethered to a machine :)

Suddenly I am considering not selling my HF S10's :)

Nice website, by the way.

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