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John Culleton
DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09:50 am

is CPMI copy protection in Gear Pro the same as CSS encryption?


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eric pautsch
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 12:08:29 pm

No...but heres a link to read

http://www.elektroson.com/support/forum/viewtopic.php?t=908



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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 12:11:58 pm

thx Eric, how do i put CSS on a DVD?



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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 1:10:01 pm

so i dont need a CSS licence?



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eric pautsch
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 1:12:39 pm

No CSS are just flags added to an image delivered to a replicator. Only replicated discs can have CSS



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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 1:18:09 pm

so no fees are paid at all? i'm reading about heavy licence fees paid to macrovision for CSS?



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eric pautsch
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 1:19:47 pm

Macrovision as nothing to do with CSS. Most replicators offer it free

Where are you reading this?


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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 1:29:27 pm

thx Eric, much appreciated



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Matt Townley
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 7:13:01 pm

Not sure that I agree with this. CSS is something that replicators have to pay a royalty on, so yes, they normally charge a fee for it. In addition to the per-disc fee, there is also the additional step to prepare the flagged master for CSS, which many replicators charge a small flat fee for.

I have seen some replicators that offer it free on orders over 10,000 units or so because it is so nominal at that point, but I would question a company if they were giving it away for feee because that would make me question if they are paying the proper loyalties and fees (on this and on the discs themselves).

Of course, just flagging your master for CSS when you author it costs nothing because it isn't actually adding the CSS. As others have already said, that is only activated when the disc is replicated.


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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 8:15:40 pm

so.. if i 'flag' a DVD when i author, will replicators then charge for the CSS?

if flagging doesn't actually put the CSS on at authoring whats the point of flagging?



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Matt Townley
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 8:20:13 pm

Ask your replicator how they handle it. Flagging your master for CSS when you author it prepares it for CSS. Step two of the process "activates" the CSS, which is done when they are replicated. The CSS cannot be added at replication if the master has not been flagged for CSS when it was authored.

The exception is that I have seen some replicators and other companies that re-author a DVD after the fact to add the CSS flag. This is more complicated than just doing it from the start when you author the master.


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eric pautsch
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 9:48:30 pm

If you're being charged a cent for CSS, your being ripped off. Replication is super cut throat. Point is moot really since CSS is a complete waste of energy. I never include it unless the client absolutely insists on it anyway.

But lets not make this into rocket science...replication is cheap now. For 1000 units you shouldnt being paying more than $1200...with or without CSS if you do the research

Contact me off list if you'd like a few names



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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 10:20:22 pm

client is insisting on CSS so i'm just trying to cover myself, Matt's explanation seems to cover it i think, if i flag the DDP for CSS and send it the replicators they will do the rest FOC, or send me a bill which i will pass onto the client



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eric pautsch
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 26, 2011 at 10:26:20 pm

Thats fine but charging a client for CSS is charging too much



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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 27, 2011 at 9:31:45 am

my client is complaining about me charging extra for the DDP, thinks it should be included in the authoring.



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eric pautsch
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 27, 2011 at 1:10:13 pm

Id have to agree with your client :)



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John Culleton
Re: DVD copy protection
on Oct 27, 2011 at 1:27:27 pm

sucker!! #;0)



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