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John Culleton
re author break point
on Dec 11, 2010 at 10:07:53 am

is it possible to change the break point on a DVD9 without reauthoring?

i only have the problematic DVD

i have PGC Edit


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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 11, 2010 at 12:13:38 pm

Sure....just use imageburn to burn the the disc with the new breakpoint

http://www.imgburn.com/

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=2482

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=13824



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 11, 2010 at 12:21:17 pm

i need to create a new breakpoint, customer says duplicators wont accept the DVD as is



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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 11, 2010 at 12:30:59 pm

Yeah....thats what image burn will do



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 11, 2010 at 12:43:14 pm

thanks Eric, one more Q...

should i use +R or -R media?

i read somewhere that +R is better?



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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 11, 2010 at 12:51:43 pm

Always use Verbatim DL +R



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 11, 2010 at 1:02:30 pm

yup, got those, thx again

john



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Daniel Ludwig
Re: re author break point
on Dec 12, 2010 at 9:37:11 am

I wouldn´t give a DVD+DL to replication - use DDP-images as they are the common workflow.

you can give them via DLT, DDP on DVD or as FTP-uplaod.

in case there would be something wrong with the delivered master on DVD as VIDEO_TS, the replication-facility ALLWAYS going to say: "authoring-error, not our fault!"

this could happen especially with DVD+DL in general and the layerbreak-position.

I´ve had a few collegues (here in germany) that has been hit by this! be careful allways! or let the replication-facility (or your customer) sign a paper that they are responcable for probles that could happen using Video-DVDs as premaster for replication, if they recommend you to deliver it as VIDEO-DVD.

I´m sure trai forrester or larry applegate would agree with me.

cheers

danny


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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 2:55:05 am

Trai who? :)



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 10:10:59 am

thanks Danny, i think i'll go the DDP route

John



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 12:14:32 pm

errrr... slight problem here,
computer says

"unable to find any suitable cells that could be used for layer break"

this is using ImgBurn

could be a MAJOR problem?



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Daniel Ludwig
Re: re author break point
on Dec 15, 2010 at 9:34:13 pm

he john,
wont be a problem to fix with DVD AfterEdit (MAC-application). it could create a valid layerbreak-position on EVERY Cell/Nav-Pack.

http://dvdafteredit.com/

I´m a mac-user, so I wont use IMGBurn, but I´ve been told that you can tell it the data-capacity of Layer0, so you´ll get a valid layerbreak-position on DVD+R DL, but it´s a different thing for DDP-images.

my advice: dont give it to replication!

try to find someone nearby that is using DVD AE ME, so he can create the DDP with a valid layerbreakposition for you.

I guess, I can´t do it for you - I´m living in germany.


cheers

danny


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Jeff Pulera
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 3:14:57 pm

Hi John,

I have to ask - what is the length of the video program? Curious, because in the past I've seen people using DL when they could've got by with single layer by just changing the data rate, simplifying the whole process and saving some money as well.

Jeff Pulera


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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 3:29:38 pm

2hrs 30mins, DVD is just over 8Gb



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Jeff Pulera
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 3:49:39 pm

Hi John,

That seems like a good application for DL! Had to ask, because I see folks asking about DL when the program is only 90 minutes. While I have gone as long as 160 minutes on a 4.7GB DVD, it certainly depends on the content. A static talking head shot can look great at low bit rates, but content with a lot of detail and motion will of course fall apart.

Jeff


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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 3:53:49 pm

am i gonna be able to fix this or am i stuffed?

i have GearPro mastering, ImgBurn, IfoEdit but i've never had to correct a layer break as bad as this before



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 13, 2010 at 5:48:20 pm

i talk to myself all the time... don't worry bout it

so a combination of GearPro and 'The Layer Break Calculator' has allowed me to create a DDP file which i couldn't manage to do before

so.... is that gonna keep the duplicator happy or not?



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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 12:27:40 am

Is this for duplication or replication? They are different. What did you use to author this disc? You need to add a chapter point somewhere at the mid way point and make sure it non-seamless as well.



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 10:08:27 am

this has come through a customer who is a broker and its for replication, i didn't author the DVD

this has gone for replication and been rejected due to the break point
and i'm assuming whoever originally did the authoring cant make/fix the break point

i've managed to get a DDP file with Gearpro using the 'layer break calculator' to get a break point and changing the point in Gearpro settings

do you think that will work?



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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 11:10:09 am

As long as Layer 0 is larger than Layer 1 and the break point is set as non-seamless, it should. Not sure how many of these re-authors you've done or how experienced you are with the spec but, personally I would have the images verified first through Eclipse /MEI.



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 11:51:53 am

that's how it is layer o is the bigger and non seamless break,

i'm not that familiar with this and dont know of Eclipse /MEI?



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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 2:07:22 pm

It sounds OK but there's no way to give you a definite answer from where Im sitting. Just make sure you get check discs before the final run and play on several players first ....this is definitely not an option.



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 3:27:22 pm

i've sent what i've done back for them to check, thanks for your time Eric, much appreciated

john



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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 5:43:39 pm

Any good replicator runs your images through an Eclipse first so you should be OK once it passes that stage. But please get check discs first before the run. Had a client recently who waived that and ran 40K bad discs.



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John Culleton
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 5:55:38 pm

only 40K, not TOOOO bad then... OUCH!!!

replicator has thrown this one back already so i think they'll chk it

thx again.....



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eric pautsch
Re: re author break point
on Dec 14, 2010 at 11:59:34 pm

If you want to contact me offlist, I'll certainly get this to the replicator for you

poweragemedia yahoo

Eric



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Daniel Ludwig
Re: re author break point
on Dec 15, 2010 at 9:43:05 pm

Hey John,
please also look at my notes over here:

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/55/864428

I haven´t seen the newer posts as I have been written my post. If you use Gearmaster Pro it should be possible to create a valid layerbreak postion as well.

DVD AE automaticly set the new cell/Nav-Pack/layerbreak position to non seamless, that´s a very nice feature!

you don´t need to calculate it, all valid NAV-packs will be shown. to set a new Nav-Pack for the layerbreak is only only one right-click on the selected NAV-Pack.

cheers

danny


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