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Oliver Peters
DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Oct 16, 2006 at 4:35:43 pm

Any update info on the firmware compatibility issues? HD-DVDs authored in DVD-SP play on the older firmware, but not newer. Has either company said anything about this? Do other manufacturers play these HD-DVDs any better?

Sincerely,
Oliver

Oliver Peters
Post-Production & Interactive Media
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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eric
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
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on Oct 16, 2006 at 5:54:09 pm

No real changes on the subject. I understand someone burned a DL Red laser HD disc with DVDSP and it played on a Toshiba with the new firmware updates buts thats it.

Go to the Apple forums for more info on this :)

Eric


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Frazier Nivens
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 9, 2006 at 10:16:59 pm

I just bought the Toshiba thinking it would only play back the video of the HD DVD authored in DVD SP, no audio. When I called Toshiba they said that there had been "Issues" with playback on the HD DVD disc's authored. They told me to UPGRADE THE FIRMWARE.

IF YOU OWN ONE OF THESE DO NOT DO THIS AS IT WILL CAUSE YOUR DVD TO NOT EVEN PLAY BACK ANY VIDEO OR AUDIO AND IT WILL NOT RECOGNIZE THE HD DVD'S AT ALL.

I then called Toshiba again and they told me they didn't guarantee it to work with anything other than store purchased HD Discs and that if one of those played then the player was fine and there was NO PROBLEM.

THE TECH GUYS SAYS IF IT PLAYS BACK THOSE HD DVD'S THEN THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE UNIT AND THEY WOULD NOT FIX IT. Basically I bought this just to play back my HD burned DVD's at the highest quality. But the unit doesn't work for that at all.

Another of my clients bought one thinking it would work and it doesn't either.

And it only cost me $500, I wish I'd never purchased it.

Frazier Nivens
Ocean Imaging Videography
Key Largo, Florida


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WTS(JManz)
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 10, 2006 at 1:38:55 am

I have the same problem happening from others, so I think your warning about updating the firmware is a good one.

I wish there was a way for you to revert back to the original state/firmware. You could have gotten your dvd to play with audio if you changed your audio to aiff. Anything else will not play.

Jim


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Frazier Nivens
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 10, 2006 at 2:50:44 am

I just bought it 11-01-06 and hopefully Toshiba will let me exchange the player for one that hasn't been updated.

You say that the audio aiff file would work with the HD DVD?

Thanks for the input. Toshiba has NOT been very helpful at all with this apparent problem. Alot of money to pay for a machine that doesn't work properly.



Frazier Nivens
Ocean Imaging Videography
Key Largo, Florida


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WTS(JManz)
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 10, 2006 at 4:24:21 pm

This is what I found to work:
1. It has to be the mpeg2 codec, the others don't work.
2. Audio has to be aiff.
3. Menus don't work, so leave them off. You can have a menu, but you have to manually pick the title set and chapter with the remote to play your video.
4. Just make a video stream only disc (with the audio format noted above)and set it as first play. Delete the default menu slot that DVDSP adds with a new project (to avoid the error message that says your menu is empty).
5. Chapter marks ARE respected, so you can add marks in your video stream and at least be able to jump to and from segments if you so choose.
6. You can use (without re-encoding) the native m2t file from HDV camcorders, but it takes a little 'tweaking' to work.
7. You need an application like StreamClip to accomplish the above. You just capture the native m2t file to HD and then use StreamClip (freeware) to separate the file into elementary streams--m2v and aiff audio. You would then just import the streams into DVDSP and author away.

Hope that helps. I've made several discs this way, and I can tell you from personal experience they do indeed work on my Toshiba.

Jim


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Oliver Peters
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 10, 2006 at 4:50:42 pm

I've been working on an authored disc for a pro client for months that is designed for the HD-DVD format. We have done all these workarounds and been burned by the Toshiba issue. Essentially, all newer machines do not reliably recognize or play discs authored in DVDSP and I doubt that anything that records onto red laser media is reliable at this point. I have been in touch with the Toshiba lab folks and they have taken this up with Apple, which probably means all further communication is in a black hole until the next version of DVDSP.

On my project, I have simply resorted to building an HDCAM master and working with a commercial LA authoring/replication facility. The client has the budget, but this isn't desireable due to the small volume and R&D nature of what we are doing. I suspect in 6 months the issue will be resolved. It will probably require a DVDSP update and the release on blue laser burners that work for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

DVDSP HD discs today only work reliably on G5s and higher. It might be possible to generate a DLT and send that off to a replication house. This might work, and we had considered it. Unfortunately it was a gamble I wasn't willing to do without the clients approval. They opted for the full authoring route instead.

Sincerely,
Oliver

Oliver Peters
Post-Production & Interactive Media
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Frazier Nivens
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 10, 2006 at 4:51:32 pm

Thanks, I'll try your settings and let you know what happens. Will this work with the latest firmware update as after installing that nothing worked for me, not video OR audio. Video worked before the firmware update.

Thank you so much for the help and suggestions,
Frazier Nivens

Frazier Nivens
Ocean Imaging Videography
Key Largo, Florida


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WTS(JManz)
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 12, 2006 at 4:42:48 pm

I don't know, I didn't update my firmware because of issues posted like yours.

Jim


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Frazier Nivens
Re: DVD-SP and Toshiba for HD-DVD
on Dec 28, 2006 at 7:50:59 pm

Deleted the existing audio file in DVD SP and reimported the audio file for my project as a aiff file, burned the HD DVD and it worked perfectly in a friends Toshiba HD-A1 DVD player.

Wish Toshiba hadn't told me to update the firmware. I'm sending in back to them tomorrow with an explanation in hopes that they'll either exchange it for one with the old firmware so I can use it.

Thanks for your suggestion.

Frazier Nivens, Ocean Imaging

Frazier Nivens
Ocean Imaging Videography
Key Largo, Florida


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