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Marten Benatar
Lighting suggestions
on Oct 27, 2009 at 5:48:43 am

Greetings,
I am video taping a 30 minute seminar in a 1000' sq foot octagon hogan with a 20' ceiling in New Mexico. It is a tribal piece. I will be shooting two people in front of a lit fireplace with one camera (DVX-100). Anyone have any suggestions on lighting? I will have a four piece lighting kit with a chimera.

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Rick Wise
Re: Lighting suggestions
on Oct 27, 2009 at 9:46:53 pm

Since you have only one camera, you are somewhat limited as to how you can place the two speakers. Is there an audience? Are the speakers conversing with each other in front of an audience, or is each one speaking in turn to an audience or to the camera? The answers to those questions dictate how you place and light your speakers.

Also, do you ever need to see the audience?

Rick Wise
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grad school, SF Academy of Art University/Film and Video
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Marten Benatar
Re: Lighting suggestions
on Oct 27, 2009 at 10:07:59 pm

The speakers are speaking to a staged audience. No audience will be taped. Each person is speaking in turn to the audience/camera.

Thanks

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Mark Suszko
Re: Lighting suggestions
on Oct 28, 2009 at 1:59:57 pm

If you had two Chimeras, I'd suggest using them as keys, but with just one, I think If it were me, I would just do a more or less traditional 3-point setup with crossed keys, that is, the spill from one guy's key ends up as fill for the other guy. Then the Chimera could maybe go behind the camera as an overall front fill. But I'd be interested in how other folks like to do this.

I would also love to see a still from this shoot when you do it.


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Rick Wise
Re: Lighting suggestions
on Oct 28, 2009 at 5:46:02 pm

More questions:

--what are the lighting units you have?
--what is the space between the speakers and the fireplace
--is there any way to rig any lights from the ceiling? If so, how low can you get them?
--if your lights have to be on the floor, how far away must they be so as to not block audience view and be an irritant to the audience?

Rick Wise
director of photography
San Francisco Bay Area
and part-time instructor lighting and camera
grad school, SF Academy of Art University/Film and Video
http://www.RickWiseDP.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/rwise
email: Rick@RickWiseDP.com


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Marten Benatar
Re: Lighting suggestions
on Oct 28, 2009 at 6:02:40 pm

Ceiling is not accessible so they will have to be on the floor. There will be no audience., so distance is not an issue. They will probably be 6' in front of fire place or any distance that I deem necessary. I am renting a lowell 4 piece kit in Albuquerque form "Production Outfitters Inc".. I am in the process of buying an Arri kit but won't have it in time.

Thanks

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Rick Wise
Re: Lighting suggestions
on Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43:52 pm

Great, except you still have not told us what units are in your Lowel kit. I'm going to guess 2 Lowel Omnis and 2 Lowel totas, plus 4 stands. If there are 2 totas, maybe you also have 2 umbrellas, one for each?

I presume you want the fireplace to be lit and burning between/behind them. That means you don't want a huge amount of light so that you can shoot fairly open iris. The suggestion above of making one key be the fill for the other should work.

I'd place each speaker on either side of the fireplace and at least 6' in front, maybe more like 8'-10'. A shot that includes both speakers would be in the background filled with the fireplace. In other words, how far apart they guys are depends on the size of the fireplace.

Then I'd key the one on camera right with a Tota placed camera left. If you were to sit in the screen-right speaker's chair, and look directly into the camera, then swing your gaze about 45º to your right (camera left) and 45º up from horizontal, that is where I'd place the first Tota. I would twist the Tota so that only a very small portion of the light hits the speaker on the left. (Better would be to scrim the light striking the screen-left speaker with a grip double on a c-stand, but you probably won't have that option.)

Then I'd do the same for the screen-left speaker, but reverse the process so his/her light is camera right, at an equal distance, etc.

Then you have to look at the actual speakers in their chairs. Maybe they have very round faces, and the lights would look better on their faces 55-55º off camera axis. Maybe they have deep-set eyes and 45º above horizontal is too high and possibly 45º off axis from the camera is too much. You always have to look at what you actually have in front of you.

Finally, I'd take the two onmnis and gel them with some orange (CTO) or red-orange gel. I'd place one way back along the wall screen left of the left speaker, aimed so it puts a warm glow on the speaker screen right, and do the same for the screen-left speaker with the other omni, placing this one way over to the right.

You may well want to add a single or double scrim on the omnis to reduce their intensity. You just want a hint of colored light, not a blast. Dose to your eye.

The rental house should have gels to sell you. If you have to use all hard lights (no umbrellas) then use the omni or D-heads and put 1/2 grid on the barn doors to soften them and use them as the keys as described above. Use the raw totas as the back rims with gel. Be sure to get the tota-gel holders.

Remember that if you move a light from 5' to 10' from the subject, the intensity drops by 2 whole stops. That means you can dose the intensity of the light on the speakers by moving lights a little closer or a little further away.

I am also presuming there is no daylight entering the room, and that you can turn off the house lights.

Rick Wise
director of photography
San Francisco Bay Area
and part-time instructor lighting and camera
grad school, SF Academy of Art University/Film and Video
http://www.RickWiseDP.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/rwise
email: Rick@RickWiseDP.com


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janusz sikora
Re: Lighting suggestions
on Sep 22, 2010 at 3:06:23 am

One quick method would be to criss-cross from the back (as to motivate from the fireplace) and use third light as bounced Fill from cam position... this will also give an Eye Light.

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