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Wojtek Jezowski
8mm and HDV?
on Oct 30, 2008 at 12:03:39 am

My DP came up to me recetly and proposed to shoot a low budget music video both on HDV/HD and 8mm film. 25% of the scenes are supposed to be super slo-mo... around 100fps. The idea is to shoot them with the 8mm (then telecine to HDV) and achieve better reutls then shooting HDV and slowing it down in post.

Have any of you tried this? Can this produce any good results?

Wojtek Jezowski


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Rick Wise
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 30, 2008 at 12:14:20 am

Super 8mm has its own look and can be great for music videos. It will not look at all like your HD stuff. It will be grainy, and the colors totally different. If you can, shoot a test, telecine it, and see for yourself.

As for slowing down HDV shot at 24 or 30p or 60i, that in itself is its own look. Since you do not have the visual information of, say 100 frames/second, you will be duplicating fields.

I don't know of any super 8 cameras that shoot 100 fps, but maybe they exist.

Rick Wise
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Wojtek Jezowski
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 30, 2008 at 12:19:19 am

Thanks!

Wojtek Jezowski


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Todd Terry
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 30, 2008 at 12:43:51 am

Rick beat me to the punch with much the same advice...

Interesting idea in theory, but in practicality you might run into some challenges pulling it off.

I've never heard of any 8mm cameras that will run at 100fps, either. In the bigger-format worlds (16mm and 35mm), most cameras will overcrank some, but usually up to about 50fps. Above that falls into the realm of more specialized cameras (usually "high-speed" versions of the same cameras that will go up to 100fps, or for higher than that very specific specialty cameras specifically designed just for extra high speed) that invariably have registration pins. You just don't see that in the 8mm world...

But then again, if that does exist, I'd sure like to know about it...


T2

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Ryan Mast
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 30, 2008 at 2:33:54 pm

Wojtek,

How are you planning to telecine your film? Send it to a company that does telecine, or project it on a wall and shoot it yourself?



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Wojtek Jezowski
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 30, 2008 at 6:19:58 pm

No. Telecine would be not be done by us.

The BEAULIEU 4008ZM4 goes up to 80 fps.
Maybe the 100fps was an exageration on my part ;)


Wojtek Jezowski


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Todd Terry
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 30, 2008 at 7:02:59 pm

The Beaulieus were great cameras.... but notorious battery hogs, especially at high speed (and most took proprietary batteries) so be sure you have plenty of juice.

And yes, they will run up to 80fps, but resist the urge to ever run the camera without film (even as a short "Is thing thing working?" test) at anything above 24fps. Many a Beaulieu has been seriously damaged by doing that. And while they were very expensive-to-buy cameras in their day, they are even more costly to repair.

Good luck!


T2

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Richard Herd
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 31, 2008 at 12:22:09 am

That'll look awesome!

How quickly will 80fps burn through a 50' load?

HDV is different than HD. Transferring the footage at the highest quality possible is worth the expense.



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Todd Terry
Re: 8mm and HDV?
on Oct 31, 2008 at 4:43:11 am

[Richard Herd] "How quickly will 80fps burn through a 50' load?"

45 seconds.

S8mm is 72 frames/foot.



T2

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