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wonderwall
Lighting footage in the rain
on Jul 5, 2007 at 3:34:02 am

Please critique our test scene, "Downpour." We've never shot in the rain before, and were curious to see what we could pull off. Shot on the JVC HD100 with the Brevis 35mm adapter. Lights included 2 par cans, 1 arri 650w, 1 300w, 2 totas and 1 omni.


http://www.cineverapictures.com/clips/downpour.html

Brian Posslenzny
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Todd at Fantastic Plastic
Re: Lighting footage in the rain
on Jul 5, 2007 at 1:33:55 pm

Looks good Brian... Quite good.

Before watching the clip, I was betting my advice was going to be "Backlight, backlight, then backlight some more," but looks like you knew that.

Really my only observation would be that the rain doesn't read that well in the two high downward-angle crane shots... but that's to be expected. Might add a little rain in those two shots in post.

Oh... and you didn't ask for a sound critique but I'll give you one: her slap looks great, but doesn't sound as dramatic as it looks. You might do a little SFX work and foley a sharper-sounding slap there.

BTW... how did you like the Brevis35? I shoot Canon XLH1 with the P+S Technik Mini35, which we love...but we also have a tiny Canon HV20 as a crashcam and I know you can put a Brevis35 on it, so I've thought about that as a B-cam. But I've never known anyone who actually owns one yet. Review?

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wonderwall
Re: Lighting footage in the rain
on Jul 5, 2007 at 2:03:41 pm

Thanks for the input! Yeah, the wide shots were really hard to light the rain, what with the small lights that we had. I kept wishing that I had a 2500w HMI.

And thanks for the sound advice. We plan on doing a little ADR, but we'll definitely try to put a better slap sound.

The brevis is awesome. I haven't used the Letus35 or similar models, but I've seen the M2 and P+S in action. With the Brevis, you get your footage upside down, which isn't a problem when you flip your monitor upside down. And for the price, it's amazing. I think it's only 1,300$. It's got my vote.


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Todd at Fantastic Plastic
Re: Lighting footage in the rain
on Jul 5, 2007 at 2:23:37 pm

Hi back Brian...

Not to highjack your post, man, but I had another question about the Brevis35...

Does it have a way to control exposure (that's the way I normally do it with the Mini35)? Or do you do that with the camera's iris? (as opposed to the actual cine lens iris)

I've been doing DoF conversion with the P+S Technik for a little more than a year, I guess... and LOVE it. Sometimes I could benefit from a B-camera though (or just a smaller camera) and frankly I can't justify the cost (or simply afford) another Mini35. I WILL say it's just about the best-designed and built piece of hardware that I've ever seen... but then again it's roughly the price of a good used Buick and I need a more affordable alternative for an additional camera (and I've heard nothing but negative comments about the cheapo Letus35, and I don't think it will take PL mount lenses anyway). Everything I've seen from the Brevis looks pretty darn good though, indeed...especially at 1/10th the price which is mighty attractive. In our case the upsidedown image wouldn't be too big a deal since it's not for primary shooting... AND the little HV20 is more than small enough (and symmetrical enough) to simply mount upside down if we wanted.

Thanks for the input...

T2

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wonderwall
Re: Lighting footage in the rain
on Jul 5, 2007 at 2:43:48 pm

No, I don't think the Brevis has a way to control exposure. It's all by the stock lens iris, or the prime's iris. And if I had the money, I would probably buy the P+S as well. But we're poor artists, so the Brevis is just want we need.

Brian Posslenzny
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Rick Amundson
Re: Lighting footage in the rain
on Jul 5, 2007 at 9:06:43 pm

Brian,

I, too, think the footage looks good. One thing we have tried in the past is adding a touch of milk to the water. Granted, we had a pumper truck to work with but I'm sure you could come up with a solution on a tighter budget.

Todd, I agree that the Brevis seems like an interesting alternative. I use the Pro35 for my Varicam but this looks like a great addition for a mini dv style camera.

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Tim Kolb
Re: Lighting footage in the rain
on Jul 8, 2007 at 5:09:50 pm

Nicely done...

The pool pan had some rain landing in "sheets" the way it might in high winds, but nothing was blowing around. I'm sure it's because you didn't have a fire hose with a 20' spread nozzle, but that was the only shot that I found there to be a little nit to pick...if you can cover the whole ground plane in view, you can take a look and see where it "reads" the strongest and keep it there instead of trying to spread it around...

The lighting looked good overall...the shot where she walks in from screen right has a very strong light on the left before she crosses it...as long as it's motivated, it's almost a sub-nit.

Again, nicely done.




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