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Mike Thomas
Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 4:45:56 pm

I would like to buy a video light for my still photography just like the one being used in the video below. At minute 12:30 you can see the photographer's assistant holding the video light. It's not a clear shot of the light but I was hoping someone here could identify the exact make/model. video--





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Todd Terry
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 4:59:53 pm

It's really hard to tell because the shot is so fleeting/moving/blurry... but looks like it could be one of the little Frezzolini sun guns.

That certainly would be a wild choice for a wedding photographer (or any still photographer, really), but you sure can't argue with his results... really beautiful images.

I wouldn't get too obsessed with tracking down that exact same make/model of instrument. Any dimmable hard light source (open face, Fresnel, whatever) will give those same results.

It's also interesting to see someone using hard light in a world where soft light is the king. Pretty pretty stuff.

T2

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Mike Thomas
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 7:13:07 pm

Thanks for the reply and the sun gun suggestion. I will look into those. Yes, that guy's work is pretty amazing. He's actually regarded as one of the best wedding photographers in the world. Someone else suggested Lowel lights which I'm looking into.


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Todd Terry
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 7:53:33 pm

Lowel tungsten lights are great... they will let you fry an egg almost anywhere (although Mark Suszko seems to be a huge Lowel fan).

I just don't consider them very high-end instruments, and many models are a bit flimsy and do get very very hot.

Lowel does have a little hand-held LED instrument though. I haven't seen it in person, but it looks cool.

T2

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Rick Wise
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 8:31:36 pm
Last Edited By Rick Wise on Jan 31, 2014 at 9:18:36 pm

Several things strike me about this guy's photography that have little to do with a sun-gun:

--brilliant use of backgrounds and framing

--terrific ability to quickly pose/adjust subjects and at the same time get them to laugh or smile in convincing ways

--marvelous use of shallow depth of field

--superb post manipulation

Rick Wise
Cinematographer
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Todd Terry
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 9:13:18 pm

Totally agree. It ain't the sun gun that's making those pictures great.

I bet that guy could turn out equally brilliant stuff with a flashlight. Literally.

T2

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Todd Terry
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 9:28:55 pm

I just now was able to view that video for the first time now end to end (just watched a couple of spots before).

I have never felt so inferior as a photographer in my life.

Besides using available light so brilliantly and posing and framing his subjects so beautifully, I think one of that photographer's greatest skills is anticipating the exact millisecond when to snap. Even when his subjects make a "mistake" or can't hold a pose, he knows when to click so that those become some of the most beautiful accidents you'll want to see.

Pure genius.

T2

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Mike Thomas
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 9:39:35 pm

Yeah Todd, I wanted to kill myself the first time I saw his work. I've learned a lot from watching his videos. He actually teamed with Westcott and designed his own LED light called an Ice Light which is pretty sweet but pricey.

In response to Rick, I agree that the video light was not the most important element in the photo but on the other hand he would not have been able to make the photo quickly without the light. Although it was just a simple light setup it would have been much more difficult and time consuming to have done the same this using a flash unit. Thus my reason for wanting a video light!


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Rick Wise
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Jan 31, 2014 at 11:54:15 pm

If you go all the way to the end of the video you are invited to go to his website, where he sells the "ice light" he designed and Westcott makes(available on both Amazon and B&H.) Very pricey: $500. Mostly rave reviews. Obviously he did not have one when making the shots in that video. I would imagine today that's what he'd use since he designed the unit.

Also note the use of a flash for the very last photograph. After that, it's hype.

You can also subscribe for a mere $300/year to his lessons. http://icesociety.com/plans

His page on gear is very, very interesting: http://icesociety.com/about/gear. Especially his story about why he abandoned Canon to go with Nikon (D3 then D4.)

Rick Wise
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Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
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Mike Thomas
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 1, 2014 at 1:46:14 am

I don't think he would have used the Ice Light on that photo in question as that light puts off a much larger and softer light. They promote it as "having window light anywhere you go". I'd like to have one but not for $500. I have a $25 Craftsman work light that's of similar design that I plan to modify a bit to get similar results.

Not sure why you think his gear is interesting. It's all pretty standard lens for wedding/portrait still photography. Thanks for the replies. I love this forum!


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Rick Wise
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 1, 2014 at 3:15:59 am

About the gear: I did find it interesting that he bailed on Canon (which I own) for Nikon. As all photographers (film/video/still) will say, it's not the camera, it's the eye behind the camera. Having said that, there are cameras that make your work easier/more rewarding. For his reasons, it's the latest Nikon. Given his remarkable photographs, I would respect that choice, though I would not rush out and buy his choice....

None of the pictures in his demo video appear to use the ice light. That came later and would appear to be a useful if expensive tool.

Your Craftsman version: an interesting possibility for the budget conscious. I cannot find anything about its photographic qualities. As is, it's raw, but a bit of 215 or 216 or other diffusion would take care of that. There is always another and less expensive way, though sometimes it's not quite so good. Much to be explored.

Rick Wise
Cinematographer
Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
San Francisco Bay Area
http://www.RickWiseDP.com


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Rick Wise
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 1, 2014 at 8:03:07 pm

PS: A little Google Searching turns up some DIY "ice lights" for far less money. Definitely not as slick, but for around $50 you can make something pretty good (no dimmer) as explained here: http://www.digitalartscape.com/tag/ice-light-alternative/ And, I think, instead of that 2' plastic diffuser, a strip of 1/2 grid cloth would work pretty well.

Rick Wise
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Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
San Francisco Bay Area
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Mike Thomas
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 1, 2014 at 10:35:42 pm

Thanks for that link Rick! I guess I'm not the only one wanting a DIY Ice Light. lol.

After further research I've decided to buy a Lowel ID-Light- http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/185678-REG/Lowel_ID_02_ID_Light_100W_...

The Frezz Sun Guns that Todd mentioned are all high dollar HMI lights. The Lowel is dimmable, focus-able and can run off batteries. Thought I'd mention it in case anyone else reads this wondering what to get.


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Rick Wise
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 1, 2014 at 10:52:40 pm

As long as you are shooting at night, these 3050K lights should work OK for you. In daylight they will be very, very orange. You will need to add at least 1/2 CTB gels, which means adding the barn doors so you can clip on your gel, or else the tota frame. The ice light and DIY equivalents are daylight balanced.

You may also want to diffuse the light as raw it is probably a bit harsh.

Rick Wise
Cinematographer
Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
San Francisco Bay Area
http://www.RickWiseDP.com


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Todd Terry
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 1, 2014 at 11:17:23 pm

Yep, I never said the Frezzis were cheap.

For a DIY version of the Ice Light that Rick tracked down, you can find an even less expensive but similarly-built LED light at Harbor Freight Tools.

I'm wondering if that plastic face is easily removed... if so, you could put a strip of Lee 250 or something similar inside it for diffusion rather than crafting something to clamp onto the outside. That is, if you always wanted it diffused a bit.. which would be likely.

I'd also come up with some way to put a 5/8" post on it, for times when you don't want it handheld.

But yeah, Jerry the wunderPhotog was using a much harder light than his Ice Light invention in that example. The Ice Light would have been much softer and not have nearly the punch to do what he was doing at those distances.

T2

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Rick Wise
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 2, 2014 at 12:08:03 am

Todd, do you mean this $25 one: http://www.harborfreight.com/rechargeable-led-work-light-with-magnetic-base...? It has half the number of LEDs so probably about a stop less bright.

Rick Wise
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Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
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Todd Terry
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 2, 2014 at 1:53:26 am

Hey Rick... the one I was thinking of was very similar to that, but a bit bigger (and more LEDs). They used to have one like that, but I imagine their inventory changes frequently.

I haven't seen this one before, but it could have potential...
http://www.harborfreight.com/120-led-rechargeable-under-hood-work-light-607...

I have also picked up a whole bunch of their LED "puck lights" about about three bucks each, often on sale...

http://www.harborfreight.com/27-led-portable-worklight-flashlight-67227.htm...

They're very handy to stick in all kinds of places as little specials or incidental lights where you couldn't otherwise get a fixture.

My last cheap-o Harbor Freight lighting purchase is a few of these plain ol' LED flashlights...

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-3-4-quarter-inch-109-led-flashlight-98506.ht...

I drilled holes in the sides to outfit them with ball-joint baby receivers so I can mount them on a C-stand or any 5/8" post (parts bought off eBay), and barn doors as well (also eBay). They are good to have in your kit when you want a little bit of a more controllable background splash, etc. I've also used them as hairlights. I thought I had a picture of them rigged out, but looks like I don't. I can take one Monday if anyone needs it.

I haven't noticed any nasty green spikes in any of them, and most of them I'd put somewhere in the 5200-6000° neighborhood.

T2

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Rick Wise
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 2, 2014 at 3:10:08 am

Todd, terrific additions!

Rick Wise
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Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
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Todd Terry
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 3, 2014 at 8:02:53 pm

Happened to be at Harbor Freight over the weekend looking for something else, but took a stroll down the lighting aisle.

Our local store here did NOT have any of the aforementioned LED Ice-Lightish fixtures in stock (or seem to have a place for them), although they can still be obviously ordered from their website.

They did though have tons of the little puck lights, as well as the 109-LED flashlights...

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-3-4-quarter-inch-109-led-flashlight-98506.ht...

These are the ones we use sometimes, have four or five of them I guess.

I drilled and tapped 1/4"/20 holes in the heads to attach the baby receiver ball mounts that I bought online, and found cheap barndoors (some from eBay, some from Cowboy Studio) that fit perfectly and came with metal honeycombs and several colors of filters (including white diffusion) as well...



They're not the greatest instruments, not by a long shot. But are fine if you are need a random splash or two, or a little special on some objet d'art or tchotchke in the background. As I said I've used them as hairlights in a pinch, as well.

T2

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Scott Miller
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 4, 2014 at 4:21:36 pm

After spending many years as a Local 80 Grip and now just a humble Videographer-on-a-budget, I have to give you a big thumbs up on your gripology there! Kudos!!!

This has been an interesting stream and I'm glad I've read through it. My first thoughts on the light in question were, like others, the dimmable Lowel iLight with a hard bulb. That light will accept automobile headlights, which would explain why we don't see a gel melting in front of it.

Still photography is my passion and therefore I keep it to myself and don't preform it as a profession. However, whether we shoot still or moving, there can be much learned from this guy. Primarily in his direction as well as his utilization of time, color, and space.

Good read.


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Kepano Kekuewa
Re: Can anyone identify this video light?
on Feb 26, 2014 at 10:25:49 pm

IIRC, Jerry uses (used) Lowel ID lights back then. His Ice Light works great in close for tight portraits (I have one, and plan to buy a second). I'm guessing he still uses the Lowel - hard, warm light works in the right situations. I bet he dims it way down to better match the dimmed house lights and candles.


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