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Peter Corbett
It['s all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 30, 2008 at 4:59:49 am

Just looked into this group and wow; very very interesting stuff. I've searched this forum and can't quite find the answer I'm looking for. I've been shooting for 25+ years and currently have a full SDX900 DVCPRO50 kit. HD lens, Sachtler, etc, etc. I have a good set of small lights but need to expand my soft lighting for larger interviews and small indoor B-roll shoots. I also shoot commercials so when I can't get a gaffer, I need more self-owned lights.

My current setup consists of a three-head DLH4 150w Dedolight kit with gobo projector, magic arm, etc etc and a 150w Dedo Softlight with small Photoflex, all on dimmers. I also have a Kino-Flo Diva 400 and a similar Chinese-made copy.

I feel I need something like an Arri 2K with Chimera/crate for my interview and stand-up shoots. There are several types of Arri 2K's from the open face to the Fresnel studio versions. Price isn't really a factor. I don't want to spend a squillion but do want value for money.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/71512-REG/Arri_571200_Arrilite_2000_W...
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/72071-REG/Arri_532200_Studio_Fresnel_...
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/72057-REG/Arri_531200_2K_Plus_Fresnel...

Or would I be better with a couple of Arri 300's or LT Pepper 300's and softboxes. (I'm not familiar with the Peppers but people write nice things about them). I also considered the Westcott Spiderlites, but these don't seem to get a good rap.

So, there you have it. Any help would be appreciated. There's just too much choice out there.

Cheers,
Peter

Peter Corbett
Powerhouse Productions
http://www.php.com.au


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john sharaf
Re: It['s all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 30, 2008 at 5:06:04 am

Peter,

From your description of what you shoot and your kit, I'd suggest you consider getting a 800 Joker HMI kit with an appropriate Chimera like a Video Pro Small and/or Medium Bank. This light is very efficient, kool and burns daylite balance. Check out the website at http://www.K5600.com

JS



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Todd Terry
Re: It['s all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 30, 2008 at 6:02:42 am

[Peter Corbett] "not familiar with the Peppers but people write nice things about them"

Oh yeah, and I'm one of those people.

I'd say take a look at them... I'm a big fan of LTM Pepper. I bought my first Pepper kit probably 10 years ago, and it is still going strong. I don't use it as primary lighting anymore, but I'd be perfectly comfortable doing that if I had to.

Peppers and Arris are quite similar... but I prefer Peppers. Not only are they more affordable, but I think they are better built. VERY rugged and dependable.

Of course you can buy different individual instruments and pieces, but the already-put-together Pepper kits are great... and very complete: not only instrument heads and stands, but barn doors, lamps, srims (both doubles and singles, and fulls and halfs for every head)... the kit we got even came with plug adapters and leather gloves. In a very sturdy wheeled case.

Several different combinations are available in their kits. I can't say enough good things about them.


T2

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Dennis Size
Re: It['s all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 30, 2008 at 7:18:39 pm

I would recommend you fill in your "mid-range" small fixture complement before jumping right up to the 2000w range. If you shoot outdoors you might want those fixtures to be HMI, as opposed to incandescent. If not, look into the various lighting kits that ARRI has available.
CHECK OUT:
http://www.arri.com/infodown/light/broch/ARRI_Lighting_Kits_Brochure_US_200...

All ARRI's products all excellent. More specifically however, to augment your package -- and your purposes --look at the ARRI SOFTBANK I KIT. It would service you well; but you should also purchase 2 small chimera lightbanks for the ARRI 650 fresnels. You should also consider a SOURCE 4 JUNIOR 25-50 degree ZOOM. It will provide a lot of options for "specialty" and controlled lighting. As you become more experienced you will find it to be one of the most useful lights ever... even as key lights. (I just lit a GOOD MORNING AMERICA 5 person "round table" discussion in a Connecticut living room, in which I only used 2 Diva's ... but 4 @ 650w Fresnels, 4 @ 300w fresnels, and 6 @ 575w Source 4 Juniors.)

If you're hell bent on buying a 2000w fresnel, then wait until the fall. I just visited ARRI to provide my opinion on a brand new line of Fresnels that they will be showing at the upcoming NAB show. They are FABULOUS! They've have re-invented an industry standard, solving several problems and making their fresnels even better. You will love the lighter more efficient baby 2k Fresnel.

DS





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Peter Corbett
Re: It['s all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 30, 2008 at 9:36:54 pm

Thanks all for the info (and Dennis for the Arri 2K insight). The Jokers look great but $5900 for a kit. Ouch! HMI is out of my budget range I think.

I'll check the Arri 650 Fresenel and the LT Pepper 650's, plus medium Chimera. With the new 2K coming in Fall, I guess that means end of 2008/start 2009 for us Downunderers?

Cheers,
Peter

Peter Corbett
Powerhouse Productions
http://www.php.com.au


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Peter Corbett
Re: It's all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 30, 2008 at 9:42:05 pm

Hmmm. Just looking at your post again Dennis and the Arri brochure, would the open face lights be better for softbox use or do you find the direct lighting ability of the Fresnel's more useful?

PC

Peter Corbett
Powerhouse Productions
http://www.php.com.au


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john sharaf
Re: It's all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 31, 2008 at 12:17:31 am

Open faced lights (or bare bulb even better) are more efficient sources for use in lightboxes like chimeras, because the glass in the fresnel lens actauly absorbs some of the light output.

JS



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Dennis Size
Re: It's all been said but... I need some Chimera/Arri advice to expand my kit
on Mar 31, 2008 at 3:00:04 am

The fresnel lens will only take away intensity in a useless atempt to provide directionality. The Chimera lightbank will negate any directionality the fresnel lens will give you. An open face instrument is better for Chimera use (but I wouldn't use it without a Lightbank) as it will yield more intensity. If you prefer the option of having the fresnel lens without the Chimera then replace the open face Arrilite with a 1000w Fresnel. you can always take the lens out if you need to.
As a sidenote, I never use a Chimera without a "hard" honeycomb (in either 30 degree or 60 degree beam spreads)-- which creates a major directionality to the soft beam of light from the lightbank.
If money is tight you could also purchase PHOTOFLEX lightbanks -- but with Chimera honeycombs.

DS




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